Even most people on this board do not have 1920X1080 displays, let alone those who know very little about HD other than wanting content as posted by
cparker.
Can Dish match DirecTV on this?
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Even most people on this board do not have 1920X1080 displays, let alone those who know very little about HD other than wanting content as posted by
cparker.
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Hopefully more dishes! I do not feel that my 2 is enough. I was thinking of taking down the 1000+ and 500 from my roof and replacing them with 4 30" dishes. I bet the neighbors would be VERY impressed with that. I could start my own SETI project!
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Ted
Or you could come back a few years with us old timers that still have a 7+foot C band dish with a motor to aim at multiple sats again. We came full circle. 
Nick
Nick
I'm sorry, but we just changed from Cox Cable here in Phoenix to Dish. There is ZERO comparison in the HD department, Dish doesn't come remotely close. We went from bright, crisp and sharp as a razor to soft fuzz at best.
The only redeeming value of Dish is that we get 100 better channels, so it kind of offsets the pain of watching HD on it. We also have a Toshiba A20 HD-DVD, which makes everything even more noticeable.
Mark
Soft Fuzz
Hard to believe that you have soft fuzz. OK maybe the cable was a bit better but it almost sounds like you have never changed the output of the 622 from 480 to 720 or 1080.
Hard to believe that you have soft fuzz. OK maybe the cable was a bit better but it almost sounds like you have never changed the output of the 622 from 480 to 720 or 1080.
It's a 722, just had it 2 weeks now and it's set for 1080i. I have everything tweaked that's tweakable and it's still soft fuzz. Occasionally 1 or 2 channels will come in crystal clear for the evening, but it's rare. I have an OTA antenna through the box too and it doesn't look all that great either, so I'm reaching for whether or not the 722 is bad?
What bugs me most is this is Phoenix. 51 weeks a year of sun. I couldn't imagine if this was Sarasota with rain fade or Michigan with winter?
Mark
I can't say I have the same experience with HD Quality... We're limited some by the feeds (some are just digital here, while some are HD), but when things are in HD OTA they're definitely in HD (like football on NBC).
I absolutely love Science HD on Dish as well.
Things look crisp and great on my LG. It's the only HDTV I have here.
As for Rain Fade or Snow Fade.. Hasn't really ever been a problem here in Maine... We do have 4 complete seasons here each year, and even the extras like Pothole, Mud and Construction season.
I absolutely love Science HD on Dish as well.
Things look crisp and great on my LG. It's the only HDTV I have here.
As for Rain Fade or Snow Fade.. Hasn't really ever been a problem here in Maine...
We do have 4 complete seasons here each year, and even the extras like Pothole, Mud and Construction season.Perhaps you have a wiring issue. I was on TWC HD service w/ 2 8300HD boxes & switched back to dish after being fed up with their "quality HD" & their POS boxes lol. Since I switched my HD's have been crisp & clear 95% of the time on all my TV's.
rain fade & snow fade are overrated imho. It used to be more of an issue, but these days with technology advancing the way it has I rarely experience an outage or loss of PQ. In fact the only outage I had was 1 month ago when winds here hit 50MPH
rain fade & snow fade are overrated imho. It used to be more of an issue, but these days with technology advancing the way it has I rarely experience an outage or loss of PQ. In fact the only outage I had was 1 month ago when winds here hit 50MPH
I think you may have other issues! I have both Dish HD(Vip722) and Comcast HD. I am told that Comcast passes its HD content at full resolution, and I'm able to compare both to OTA HD as I live in the Kansas City metro area. I would give Comcast a very small edge in picture quality over Dish, but it would not be enough to prompt me to drop Dish and go exclusively with Comcast.
Having said that, I would like to see Dish follow Direct TV's lead after the new satellites have been added, and return to full 1920 x 1080.
Well I think Dish will be fine once the National Network gets their HD Version of their channel up running anyone can carry it. So Dish will get them just like Direct does but for now Dish has most HD and I think Dish HD Receivers are better. Overall I think Dish is just a better product but who gets what as far as HD Channels well every TV Service Provider will carry them all at some point time. You go with who gives you more for your money and who offers the better overall product. In long run we will be back to one format all HD no more SD.
I was only referring to HD channels.
Dish has converted about 80%+ of its MPEG2-HD channels to MPEG4-HD and only has a handful remaining. The rumor was that it would be completed by the end of the year...
I wonder why they didn't just convert all the HD channels to MPEG4 when they moved the majority of them (the voom ones) back a month or so back?
I guess I don't see what the reason was for holding those last few...
I guess I don't see what the reason was for holding those last few...
I expect they'll go away just as fast as Dish wants to close the gap of HD channels that is about to swing in D*'s favor.
It's unfortunate that Dish is stuck behind on the launch. You'd think there'd be a spare slot over at Baikonur or something ahead of Mid-2008.
To you, Sol and Drdroo, funny thing happened after I posted last night. The 722 shut itself off and rebooted (4th time in 2 weeks), when it came back on everything was crystal clear again. Can anyone explain this? Bad box?
Up to now everything was pixelated and "blotchy" for lack of a better description. Not all the time... just on the shows we wanted to watch.
I had the 8300 on Cox, remarkably (for cable) it WAS crystal clear all the time. Never had a problem unless a storm knocked everything out.
As for rain fade, we used to get a bit of it whe we lived in Sarasota, but mostly during the hurricanes in 2004.
As for me, I'm very pro-satellite. I have owned them for the last 25 years. My last BUD was a 10 foot Paraclipse, H-H mount, 4DTV. Then we sold that house, moved to Sarasota, so I went D* at that point. Now back in Phoenix we went back to D* after 2 years on cable.
I was/am just disappointed in what we've seen so far. Time for a service call I guess.
Mark
I've had no problem with the signal quality or PQ.. I can safely say that the box rebooting is par for the course, happens a few times a week just while watching a show.
I suspect a firmware upgrade is coming to fix it... I sure as hell hope so... Seems no rhyme or reason.,
Maybe there's some sort of weird HDMI mismatch if you're using HDMI?
I suspect a firmware upgrade is coming to fix it... I sure as hell hope so... Seems no rhyme or reason.,
Maybe there's some sort of weird HDMI mismatch if you're using HDMI?
Nope.
All you need is a quality deinterlacer and film based content -- same story as with DVD.
This should handle the job for OTA and Sat HD.
Cheers,
Funny thing with my signal too. When the installer picked up 119 there was a signal of 98. He says, "watch this!" Picks up 110 and the signal dropped to 65. He claimed that happens with all of the 722's.
As for hook-up, I'm running component to the TV and HDMI through the receiver, a Yamaha RX-V661, which I use maybe 60% of the time. My only complaint with HDMI is that everything goes very orange/pink. Is that over saturation?
I'm a tweak freak so I don't mind playing around to dial it all in. I'm just surprised that it's this far off from the cable signal (had all the same hook-ups with the cable box too).
Ah well, time to play.
Can you try HDMI direct into the TV or component direct into the TV Instead?
I probably don't trust your Yamaha receiver.. It's another story if this still happens if the 722 is connected directly though. I am connected directly into my LG 32LC2DU and I don't seem to see the same problems (oversat).. My TV settings are pretty much default.
My signal strengths are:
110 TP 11 - 54
119 TP 11 - 65
61.5 TP 02 - 48
I have to go back and realign/peak my dish, but I don't have any outages or issues. This is with the 'new signal meter'.. Your 722 should have that as well.
Signal strength shouldn't affect your picture provided you see at least a 40 (maybe even less is stable with the new gauges).
I probably don't trust your Yamaha receiver.. It's another story if this still happens if the 722 is connected directly though. I am connected directly into my LG 32LC2DU and I don't seem to see the same problems (oversat).. My TV settings are pretty much default.
My signal strengths are:
110 TP 11 - 54
119 TP 11 - 65
61.5 TP 02 - 48
I have to go back and realign/peak my dish, but I don't have any outages or issues. This is with the 'new signal meter'.. Your 722 should have that as well.
Signal strength shouldn't affect your picture provided you see at least a 40 (maybe even less is stable with the new gauges).
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