Can Dish match DirecTV on this?

[Straybeat]

Can you try HDMI direct into the TV or component direct into the TV Instead?

I probably don't trust your Yamaha receiver.. It's another story if this still happens if the 722 is connected directly though. I am connected directly into my LG 32LC2DU and I don't seem to see the same problems (oversat).. My TV settings are pretty much default.

My signal strengths are:
110 TP 11 - 54
119 TP 11 - 65
61.5 TP 02 - 48

I have to go back and realign/peak my dish, but I don't have any outages or issues. This is with the 'new signal meter'.. Your 722 should have that as well.

Signal strength shouldn't affect your picture provided you see at least a 40 (maybe even less is stable with the new gauges).

I better be able to trust my Yamaha, it's 2 months old. Actually my Toshiba HD-A20 and ex-cable play beautifully through it. IF Dish doesn't we have a problem.

As far as trying HDMI direct to the TV, maybe this weekend when I can pull the cable and re-hook. That's why I ran component direct. Component for "plain" viewing, HDMI for "Theater".

 

[drdroo]

I wouldn't necessarily 'trust' any device that sits between the TV and the device, especially on HDMI.. I'd like to hope it isn't causing a problem..

Dish would make you do the same thing to test though, so I think it's worth a shot.

If it still does that after though, then somethings definitely strange.. but at least it rules things out some.

 

[kennya]

I just had a 1000 and a 722 installed. The installer said that the 110 usually has a lower signal reading than the others. We had a good storm come through last night, mainly rain and we lost 110. I didnt check the other sats, but, 110 was out for awhile.

 

[huskerpat]

I just had a 1000 and a 722 installed. The installer said that the 110 usually has a lower signal reading than the others. We had a good storm come through last night, mainly rain and we lost 110. I didnt check the other sats, but, 110 was out for awhile.

We get rain fade just about every time it rains. It's really quite annoying. we've had Dish out to repeak it once already.

 

[Jim5506]

We had a HEAVY rain storm last night. The only time we lost satellite signal was when the power blinked and rebooted my 622.

My Dish 1000 is peaked on 129.

 

[drdroo]

Extreme downpour I might see an outage of 5 minutes or so, but I can safely say that's been about it. It's such a minor consideration that I don't even think of it since we're usually worried about lightning or flooding in the basement, etc.

 

[redman042]

I think the bottom line with the whole downrezzing debate is that full HD is the best, but most of us can live with less as long as it still looks reasonably sharp and clear, noticably better than SD, and that we have a decent selection of channels.

For DirecTV subscribers, the old super-downrezzed MPEG2 HD was horrible. I've seen it myself. It looked only somewhat improved over a good SD signal, and often worse than DVD. That's why I switch to Dish when I got my HDTV.

I think Dish HD quality is pretty darn good. It could be better, but it's certainly a pleasure to watch.

For DirecTV customers, improvement was a long time coming. For Dish customers, I don't think it's as important.

As for channel count, I'm pretty happy with Dish's count right now. More is always better, but at least we have a pretty decent selection. Going from 10 to 30 is a huge deal. Going from 30 to 50 is not as big of a deal, especially since many of those new channels will probably have a lot of stretched SD for a while.

 

[ArtWIS]

There have been postings in this forum about rumors and leaks that Dish will be going full rez at a high bit rate. No date set, though. Keep in mind, Dish has two more satellites going up in the next few months.

Yesterday E* filed with the FCC to postpone the 2 new satellite launches. Reason was the launch company had a explosion and the launch pad needs extensive repair.

 

[azdevil]

I have a 1080P set and live in phoenix. I have cox cable HD and Dish HD and I see no difference. Except PBS looks kinda crappy on cox but dish doesnt carry it at all so I can't complain.

Back to the subject, I can accept this downrezzed PQ until the new birds are up. Most new HD channels on D* and E* have almost no real HD programming anyway. I'll take quantity this year, quality in the coming years.

 

[Straybeat]

I have a 1080P set and live in phoenix. I have cox cable HD and Dish HD and I see no difference. Except PBS looks kinda crappy on cox but dish doesnt carry it at all so I can't complain.

FWIW, we're off 48th St. & Baseline, Discovery Theater on Cox was almost HD-DVD quality as was HBO and Showtime. Our Dish PQ hasn't been anywhere near that. I was expecting a little less performance because of compression, but nothing like this.

I'll probably rewire everything this weekend just to be sure I'm not picking up RF or some other strange quirk that screws with the signal.

 

[mike123abc]

Dish will probably have full 1920x1080i when they get encoders that they think will perform at that rate with 6 channels/TP. It is only a matter of time, MPEG-4 encoders are getting much better. There are trade offs, you can have 1920x1080i with lots of macro blocking or other artifacts too.

Having a channel at 1920x1080 vs 1440x1080 does not tell you which will provide a better overall picture. Stills might look better at the higher resolution, but if you have any movement it could look better at the lower resolution because the encoder can handle that resolution better.

What we need are people that have both services compair the same channels and report which channel looks better overall. Gone are the days of 19.2Mbit/sec MPEG2 channels (like OTA can do) on DBS. MPEG-4 is what DBS is going to do, the question will be how good the encoder is and at what resolutions does it have the computational power to work best at.

 

[cparker]

FWIW, we're off 48th St. & Baseline, Discovery Theater on Cox was almost HD-DVD quality as was HBO and Showtime. Our Dish PQ hasn't been anywhere near that. I was expecting a little less performance because of compression, but nothing like this.

I'll probably rewire everything this weekend just to be sure I'm not picking up RF or some other strange quirk that screws with the signal.

For what it's worth.... I changed some of my connectors that were older (and had the white centers) to the newer ones with blue centers.... I think the new ones are 3GHz rated. Regardless.... it made a NOTICEABLE improvement in my PQ immediately. And it seems to take a lot more to get the signal to drop below acceptable conditions. Almost all of my RG6 runs inside the house so I'm not super concerned with the cabling itself, but those connectors sure made a difference.

 

[drdroo]

I'm using compression connectors from Ideal for my connections. I got them at Home Depot..

 

[dlsnyder]

When this board first started every few days you would see a thread about PQ on this channel or that channel, and comparisons between D* and E*, and of course it was all in SD. No one seems to mind the *really crappy* SD PQ anymore, or at least they have become accustomed to it. I think in time that will be true of HD PQ as well. Eventually we will all just become accustomed to it. And I look forward to the day when HDTV is just TV - no more SD channels. My guess is that is less than 10 years away.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I am betting that hd will be the norm in less than 5 years. The way both sat providers are adding hd channels. I would think that even if the channel is just an upconvert to hd , it looks much,much, better than sd today does. I wish they would do just that and do all the sd channels in upconverts to hd and then when the hd channel starts up it has a place to go.

 

[cebbigh]

Paul Allen tried doing a Seahawks broadcast in HD way back before it had started to get a decent foothold. They got tons of complaints because people with SD sets were disappointed that the quality of the image on their sets looked poorer that standard SD. As I recall back when color programing first came out it didn't look that great on old black and white sets. But that didn't hold things up very long. Five years just might do it.

 

[JoeSp]

If Dish's new sattelite is going to be delayed a few months putting off their plans for new HD and full HD (1920x1080) and their All MPEG4 service then that will put me out of the 18 month window on my 211 upgrade. Dish will have to do something spectacular then because right now I can not get my locals on HD (Raleigh, NC) on Dish because they are on the 118 sat and I would have to pay for a new dish and that is rediculous as that is the only thing on 118 that I would be getting. Why they could not have moved the locals to 61.5 or 110 or 119 is beyond me. I am going to be looking real hard at DirectTV next summer to see what they are offering at that time especially after Scott reported that HD locals on DirectTV had better PQ then Dish's HD locals.