C61K vs. RVU

[claw]

Dude you freaken totally lost me!!!...did you see the post that I responded to????.. I will guess you did not?
I could care less what they thought, did, or there 2 bit answer is.....

If any company decides to charge anyone for 3 locations (or TVs) and use 2.....They can just lose lots of people who pay alot for there service......again.....I will wait to see what twittle dee and twittle dumb do with there stupid idea of ripping people off is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I HAVE 2 TVs,....i WILL NOT NOR EVER PAY FOR 3 TVs IF i DONT HAVE THEM.....get it now?

And using all common sense.....what the hell did the HR 54 have different than the 44?....absolute nothing!!!!!( other than the opportunity of 4K in some hap hazard way! )

I just started new service. 3 TVs; one of which is 4K. I got 1 HR54, 1 C61K client, and 1 non-4K client box. The C61K is connected to my 4K TV. The non-4K client box is connected to a 1080P TV, and the HR54 is connected to a 1080P TV.

3 TVs, 3 boxes, and charged for 3 TVs. I am not being charged for 4 TVs.

The only case where you would be required to pay for more TVs than you have is if you only have a single TV and it is 4K. Then you need both the HR54 and C61K and you would pay for 2 TVs.

 

[AZ.]

I just started new service. 3 TVs; one of which is 4K. I got 1 HR54, 1 C61K client, and 1 non-4K client box. The C61K is connected to my 4K TV. The non-4K client box is connected to a 1080P TV, and the HR54 is connected to a 1080P TV.

3 TVs, 3 boxes, and charged for 3 TVs. I am not being charged for 4 TVs.

The only case where you would be required to pay for more TVs than you have is if you only have a single TV and it is 4K. Then you need both the HR54 and C61K and you would pay for 2 TVs.

or....If you have 2 TVs and the HR54 is at the 4K tv....So you would be charged for 3 locations but only use 2...Either the TV uses a C61 or it has a RVU....

I have no room or want the HR54 in my bedroom.....and it sure wouldnt fit behind the TV in the bedroom....
Most all people have there main receivers were there main TVs are....

So again......I would be charged 3 locations and have 2 TVs.....

 

[claw]

or....If you have 2 TVs and the HR54 is at the 4K tv....So you would be charged for 3 locations but only use 2...Either the TV uses a C61 or it has a RVU....

I have no room or want the HR54 in my bedroom.....and it sure wouldnt fit behind the TV in the bedroom....
Most all people have there main receivers were there main TVs are....

So again......I would be charged 3 locations and have 2 TVs.....

Note that I said "required". It is your choice to put the HR54 at the same location as the C61K. There is no need to do so when you have multiple TVs; so you are choosing to be charged twice; unless all your TVs are 4k.

 

[Zashel]

or....If you have 2 TVs and the HR54 is at the 4K tv....So you would be charged for 3 locations but only use 2...Either the TV uses a C61 or it has a RVU....

I have no room or want the HR54 in my bedroom.....and it sure wouldnt fit behind the TV in the bedroom....
Most all people have there main receivers were there main TVs are....

So again......I would be charged 3 locations and have 2 TVs.....

just want to point out that while 4k is the shiny new toy, its hardly getting so worked up over. by most accounts, your eye cannot even tell the difference depending on screen size and viewing distance. most living room TV's have the greatest viewing distance which would mean you would need a colossal TV to actually make even a slight impact. if these decisions D* made outrage you SO much, switch providers .

 

[raoul5788]

just want to point out that while 4k is the shiny new toy, its hardly getting so worked up over. by most accounts, your eye cannot even tell the difference depending on screen size and viewing distance. most living room TV's have the greatest viewing distance which would mean you would need a colossal TV to actually make even a slight impact. if these decisions D* made outrage you SO much, switch providers .

I'm guessing you haven't seen 4k in person, have you?

 

[robjlevin]

just want to point out that while 4k is the shiny new toy, its hardly getting so worked up over. by most accounts, your eye cannot even tell the difference depending on screen size and viewing distance. most living room TV's have the greatest viewing distance which would mean you would need a colossal TV to actually make even a slight impact. if these decisions D* made outrage you SO much, switch providers .

You either have poor eye sight, or you've never seen 4k. Either way, you're wrong about 4k.

Even with standard HD, good 4k sets such as Samsung upconvert the picture and it is noticeably superior.

 

[robjlevin]

Note that I said "required". It is your choice to put the HR54 at the same location as the C61K. There is no need to do so when you have multiple TVs; so you are choosing to be charged twice; unless all your TVs are 4k.

My house was prewired for two TVs so I am required to have things set up the way they are which would cause me to either have to run wires all over the place or pay for two TVs where the 4k is. Look, I get that it's only $7/month and I have a feeling a good CSR can get creative and find the credits to offset it, but they need to come up with something better for this eventually.

 

[maestro7]

Great question, but Im sure there is not a lot out there to compare both side by side....But I will assume the C61K should be much more responsive....

I will just wait till they wake up and produce a new STB that outputs 4K without charging for another receiver..

Amen to that.

 

[twizt3dsist3r]

Personally I like the c61 better. Less issues aside the one 24p bug.

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[Zashel]

to my point

this website which is referencing information from this guy whose calculations are backed by Sony and THX.

other factors affect the picture more at this point than resolution. OLED type screen being an easy example. i'd wager most people who swear by the improved visuals are misattributing the reason, deluding themselves, or (the minority) have better then 20/20 vision.

im sure at some point D* will have a 4k capable genie, but its a moot point until there is a decently large selection of content to play on it anyway. *shudder* why'd it have to be golf.

 

[stvcmty]

The C61K is the way to go. If you have issues then DirecTV has to fix them and they can’t pass the blame to the TV manufacturer. If you get a new TV, you can just plug it in to the client, no RVU setup hassle. It uses the MOCA/DECA natively so you do not need a CCK behind your TV like you would for RVU. The C61K gets hot and it is big compared to the HD clients, but it is more flexible.

Well if Direct wants me to pay for 3 locations and its really only 2...They can go pound sand!
They were unprepared for this and its totally obvious!

If a customer has 1 TV and it is a 4K TV, they are being ripped off. They have to have a HR54, a RVU or C61K, and whole home. If a customer has more than 1 TV and all the customers TV’s are not 4K, they are not getting ripped off. All the customer has to do is put the HR54 on the non-4K TV, and use RVU or a C61K for their 4K TV; in that case they have a reason to pay to use multiple TV’s and whole home.

If the customer is unwilling to put the genie with the non-4K TV, that is not DirecTV’s problem. If the customer has a HR24 for the 2nd TV, it is a non-standard install and that is not DirecTV’s problem.

DirecTV could have made a 4K genie, but they did not. Some early adopters are going to feel like they get ripped off. That is the cost of being on the bleeding edge. In the early HD days DirecTV was doing HD on Ku in MPEG2. In hindsight some of the people who got sat C and MPEG2 HD boxes for a handful of HD channels may have realized it was not worth it in the long run. The boxes that did that were buggy and only mattered for a short time until the Ka satellites went into use with MPEG4.

The HR54 is mostly a cost reduced version of the HR44. Adding features (updated HDMI and HDCP for 4K) is not a way to make a cost reduced product. Now even if 4K flops like 3D did, DirecTV has a cost effective genie in their lineup. If 4K flops, DirecTV is only out the cost of the 4K clients, or in the case of RVU customers, nothing.

 

[robjlevin]

Ripped off is a bit strong but it's still an unfair charge. I should not have to start running coax to other rooms just so I can put the receivers in locations to match up with the resolution of TVs. That's just flat out ridiculous.

That said, until there's really enough native programming I'll go on quite happily with the fabulous quality of the upconverted HD.

 

[gunnarliden]

Just to circle back, I did end up getting the C61K installed and it does work much better than the RVU on my Samsung. I did have another non-4K tv so the tech just moved the HR54 to the other location. I did spend 90 minutes on the phone prior to install with Directv Case Management trying to determine which set up I needed. He did say that some new 4K tv's can work natively with the HR54, and he had me try and change a number of settings, but ultimately it didn't work, so we went with the C61K. The tech did install Reverse Band LNB without me even asking for it. Thanks for the opinions and thoughts.

 

[maestro7]

4K will not be flopping like 3D did -- probably has something to do with having to wear something on your head and/or that sea-sick feeling a lot of folks experience. That's purely a 3D phenomenon, not an increased pixel density phenomenon

Also, the only thing that is preventing 4K from truly taking off the way that HD did is the fact that it literally requires millions of dollars in infrastructure upgrades on the part of your local network affiliate. Those kinds of things take time and budgets to make happen.

It's going to happen, because content is already being produced in 4K. It's simply a matter of getting the rest of the pipes set up to handle the order of magnitude increase in bandwidth.

 

[robjlevin]

When HD came along you had analog to digital conversions, 4:3 to 16:9 as well as the high cost of the equipment and conversion for broadcasts. Most of that is not an issue.

I've seen 4k tvs for sale in my local supermarket. This is not a fad.

 

[DurnDog]

I just bought a Samsung 65 curved 4K RVU TV and set it up with Directv service. I also have a c61k that I placed at this TV to have a good comparison between the two. After just one day I removed the c61k and stuck with the RVU set up as it was way faster for me. I tried to just use a Ethernet cable to my switch and had problems, after setting it up the correct way with rg6 to the rvu adapter it was faster than the c61k. Just make sure you update the firmware on the TV. The Directv remote works great on the tv.

 

[CSM]

How is PQ on the 4k RVU? I tried RVU on my Samsung 1080p 2012 model and I didn't like the PQ. I'm not sure if it had something with Ethernet vs HDMI but I think the PQ is better using HDMI. I think if I ever did upgrade to 4k I would go with the client box unless they did a Genie that outputted to 4k using HDMI.

 

[Bruce Warrington]

I had the RVU set up for my 4K tv so I could watch VOD 4K, which worked, but always seemed clunky, channels changed so slowly, and my Samsung UN55JU6700 never seemed to like it. I recently had the new HR54 installed, and because of some faulty advice from the directv installer, was told wrongly that I didn't need RVU anymore because HR54 could handle 4K on its own. After a week of arguing with Directv, I realize that isn't the case now, and they are offering to come fix it so it is ready for live 4K (when it happens). Anyone used both RVU and C61K and have an opinion of which experience is better? Does the C61K change channels quicker? Does one choice or the other future proof my set up better than the other?

I had the Directv RVU installed last month with my Sony XBRX850C and absolutely hated it. Spontaneous reboots of the TV, no dedicated HDMI input for it so you have to run it through the Directv Ready app which is ugly when using custom remotes and codes, DVR would perform sluggishly and audio would often cut out like there was latency issues. Also lost ability to use my Denon on screen display with RVU setup and new Directv units no longer come with phone jack to support caller ID on screen which was a great feature on their units for years.
I had RVU exchanged for 4K genie mini and audio and DVR issues are resolved, but Denon receiver does not support Hcdp 2.2 encoding on mini so cannot use HDMI pass thru to get Denon onscreen display. Caller ID on screen also not option on C6k1 mini.
All in all, upgrade to 4K requires upgrades to equipment which cost me loss of all my recorded content on my H43 which required upgrade to H54 and some functionality, all for a meager 3 4K channels. 4K picture is nice, but aside from limited content on Ch 104, some Olympic coverage and A few MLB games on ch 106 still debating that the change was worth the hassles. Note that you still pay $7 per receiver whether it is an RVU a genie or a mini. Hope this helps, Bruce

 

[jcrandall]

I just bought a Samsung 65 curved 4K RVU TV and set it up with Directv service. I also have a c61k that I placed at this TV to have a good comparison between the two. After just one day I removed the c61k and stuck with the RVU set up as it was way faster for me. I tried to just use a Ethernet cable to my switch and had problems, after setting it up the correct way with rg6 to the rvu adapter it was faster than the c61k. Just make sure you update the firmware on the TV. The Directv remote works great on the tv.

Thank you for sharing this. I purchased two KS8000 2016 Samsung sets, and was really debating between the C61k and RVU, and have DirecTV coming out this weekend for a 4k upgrade.
Everything I've read about RVU was mostly negative, but many people were using it with underpowered chipsets in their TVs. The new Samsung have a quad core, which may not mean much, but gets much better reviews than even the 2014 sets. It's a really tough choice but if the speed is the same as the clients I'd rather have the clean look.

 

[goaliebob99]

I have a samsung 8550. In mine the RVU Sucked. I went with the C61K, but when I installed the new evolution kit which has the new quad core processor in it there was a dramatic improvement. With that said, if your going to run any type of external audio to any AVR with Dolby Atmos or DTS X, you are going to want to get a C61K. No Samsung TV can pass 7.1 audio, let alone the new generation standards, that I am aware of and the TV's decode then re encode back into DD 5.1. Keep that in mind if you are going to use an AVR or not.