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Apple officially claims Jailbreaking Illegal
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How do you get $5.99 for internet? The cheapest plan I see on TMobile is $34 for internet and messaging.
Yes, rollover minutes expire after a year. But the program doesn't. You only lose rollover minutes unused for a year- the program itself continues, and you keep accumulating them, and losing the oldest ones. Never ends. It's worked that way for years for me, on my 3 phone family plan.
For coverage, the choice is really between Verizon and AT&T. Period. If you stay in one area, you might find it worth your while to consider someone else. AT&T is rolling out 3G at a faster pace now. But I can't help but wonder if they're really just waiting for 4G before investing the really big bucks.
For coverage, the choice is really between Verizon and AT&T. Period. If you stay in one area, you might find it worth your while to consider someone else. AT&T is rolling out 3G at a faster pace now. But I can't help but wonder if they're really just waiting for 4G before investing the really big bucks.
That is a myth or moth Apple never bricked the I phone. You cannot brick an Iphone.
Seems I recall a lot of hacked and jailbroken phones having issues when Firmware 1.1.1 was released.
The problem with Firmware 1.1.1 was that the folks lost the ablity to unlock their cell phone. That problem has since been corrected and work around has been found.
The Iphone through the DFU method can always be brought back to life. The Iphone cannot be bricked. I give kudos to Apple since they gave a pathway to restore the firmware of any IPHONE(the pathway is in ITUNES) that may have gone haywire.
One should not try and unlock the IPHONE and use another carrier as Apple will find a way to close the loop hole. I have heard of cases were Apple and ATT have gone after folks who unlock their IPHONE.
In fact the IPHONE DEV team has gotten endorsement from one of the apple founder whose iphone is jail broken.
And yet, you can download dozens of fart generators from the appstore. Depends what you find offensive, I suppose.
In my response to the statement that Apple has a history of bricking ip[hpones that have been unlocked.
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This and hundreds of other articles, but what do I know, hundreds of other articles report the same:
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This and hundreds of other articles, but what do I know, hundreds of other articles report the same:
Yes I have read this false article--like I have posted the IPHONE can be unbricked using the DFU method. The IPHONE DEV TEAM will show folks how to do this. Since that update has come out the dev team has found a way around the update to unlock the IPHONE.
Also this article we are talking about is kind of misleading. Apple will be coming out with the third gen IPHONE which is not jailbreakable since this will be done at the hardware level and as the dev team has stated this cannot be jailbroken.
I dont know what you are talking about nor do I know if you know what you talking about. Jailbreaking has nothing to do with that. Jailbreaking just lets you run programs on your phone which Apple might not want you to.
Also most of the music being sold by Apple via iTunes is now DRM free. (In fact over the past month I have spent over $200 upgrading my music on my iPhone to higher quality DRM free versions through iPhone.)
You really should find out what Jailbreaking is before you try saying its illegal and immoral, as by reading your post you have no clue what your talking about.
Jailbreaking is not stealing, in fact a number of Jailbroken apps are commercial applications and require registation or a subscription to work.
Just think of Jailbroken apps as ones Apple did not approve to sell in its store. These apps are not pirated applications in any ways, just unofficial.
I bet you didn't know it but even Apple Co Founder Steve Wozniack supports Jailbreaking.
I dont know what you are talking about nor do I know if you know what you talking about. Jailbreaking has nothing to do with that. Jailbreaking just lets you run programs on your phone which Apple might not want you to.
Also most of the music being sold by Apple via iTunes is now DRM free. (In fact over the past month I have spent over $200 upgrading my music on my iPhone to higher quality DRM free versions through iPhone.)
You really should find out what Jailbreaking is before you try saying its illegal and immoral, as by reading your post you have no clue what your talking about.
Jailbreaking is not stealing, in fact a number of Jailbroken apps are commercial applications and require registation or a subscription to work.
Just think of Jailbroken apps as ones Apple did not approve to sell in its store. These apps are not pirated applications in any ways, just unofficial.
I bet you didn't know it but even Apple Co Founder Steve Wozniack supports Jailbreaking.
Scott, I know 100% what it is. I had my phone jailbroken at one point to see what it was all about. I never once said that it was stealing. I was talking about the changing of a propritary OS that is running on your phone. That is the illegal part not the apps that you can get from the repositories.
In the part about the encrypted music I was refering to the OS that you replaced on the phone. You know that it does include copyrighted code from Apple as it will still play the encrypted iTunes music. That is what I meant by that and the only part IMO is illegal. If you can show me that nothing of the Apple code was modified then I would change my tune on the subject. Until somebody proves it one way or the other I will just stay with the provided software.
So you don't feel that modifying a copyrighted program to make it do what you want is wrong? That is what the whole idea around jailbreaking.
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I bet I did know that and what does this even matter since he ended his employment with Apple back in the 80's. Now if you said that a current high ranking employee did this that would be a different story.
There are plenty of us that do this exact thing every day as part of our jobs. IT people have to do all sorts of things to copyrighted software to get it to do what we bought it for.
You don't modify the source code without the consent of the owner. So if you are a Windows admin you will modify the Windows source to get it working the way you want? Do you really think Microsoft would allow this to happen? I am not stupid when it comes to this as I am in IT as well.
tomcrown- My point was not that in a future date Apple will aid hackers to unbrick the phone. If you read what I wrote correctly, I stated Apple had a history of bricking the iphone. I can't believe you would deny the thousands of reports, including a whole podcast from Leo Laporte and John Dvorak on this back in 2007 when it happened. I think you just didn't understand my point of it being historically accurate.
Scott- I would not be surprised about The Woz, supporting hacking, illegal hacking at that. Anyone who is as old as I am ( not that old) will remember back in late 60's, early 70's legendary stories about "The WOZ" the infamous hacker who developed the "black box" used to get free long distance phone calls. It was a very simple device and later he developed the "Blue Box" which used a more sophisticated double set of push button keypads to route long distance phone calls for free via AT&T's inward circuit using a simple 2300 Hz tone to activate the route tones. Then he published the secret inward circuit code numbers in the form of a chain letter. Point being that you can't justify a hacking software from the likes of a person who grew up becoming notorious world wide for his practice of illegal hacking. It would be like justifying hacking satellite smart cards because a guy who publishes directions on how to get free satellite and cable TV said it's OK.
Want some more? I happen to have proof! I tape recorded an actual demonstration of this blue box on quarter inch reel to reel audio of the Woz routing phone calls complete with verbal instructions how he was doing it around the country and then to Hawaii and Alaska for over 30 minutes broadcast on 75 meter ham band. I also don't think he was a ham radio op, legally, either. But he was often on using a fake broadcast station like call sign, guess what? WOZ. What else? For awhile I heard he was using W4OZ but stopped when he discovered that real ham like call sign was already in use by a real ham. He poses as a telephone operator hacking his way through the phone system. The tape is a classic piece of history. Some day I may dig out my reel to reel tape recorder and play that tape convert to an MP3 file, if it still works.
Oh and as for jailbreaking being illegal, it is not criminal law, unless a case can be made on the DMCA argument, but also and rather, civil contract law where you are in violation of your license agreement. As long as the owner of the software/firmware in the iphone says it is a violation of the terms of their contract with you, it is a case that may stick. It all depends on the judge / jury decision. At best, you can say it is a gray area as are all civil cases. At worse you lose and suffer the loss of your phone and service. out of warranty etc.
Jail breakers are not alone on this. I believe the use of software like PDANet may be a violation of Verizon's license forbidding tethering except through Verizon subscription service add-on. Haven't heard any public statements on this, however. Apple is different as they have made their case claim and now violators will have the opportunity to argue the case claim in court. Criminal for DMCA and civil for license violation.
Scott- I would not be surprised about The Woz, supporting hacking, illegal hacking at that. Anyone who is as old as I am ( not that old) will remember back in late 60's, early 70's legendary stories about "The WOZ" the infamous hacker who developed the "black box" used to get free long distance phone calls. It was a very simple device and later he developed the "Blue Box" which used a more sophisticated double set of push button keypads to route long distance phone calls for free via AT&T's inward circuit using a simple 2300 Hz tone to activate the route tones. Then he published the secret inward circuit code numbers in the form of a chain letter. Point being that you can't justify a hacking software from the likes of a person who grew up becoming notorious world wide for his practice of illegal hacking. It would be like justifying hacking satellite smart cards because a guy who publishes directions on how to get free satellite and cable TV said it's OK.
Want some more? I happen to have proof! I tape recorded an actual demonstration of this blue box on quarter inch reel to reel audio of the Woz routing phone calls complete with verbal instructions how he was doing it around the country and then to Hawaii and Alaska for over 30 minutes broadcast on 75 meter ham band. I also don't think he was a ham radio op, legally, either. But he was often on using a fake broadcast station like call sign, guess what? WOZ. What else?
For awhile I heard he was using W4OZ but stopped when he discovered that real ham like call sign was already in use by a real ham. He poses as a telephone operator hacking his way through the phone system. The tape is a classic piece of history. Some day I may dig out my reel to reel tape recorder and play that tape convert to an MP3 file, if it still works.Oh and as for jailbreaking being illegal, it is not criminal law, unless a case can be made on the DMCA argument, but also and rather, civil contract law where you are in violation of your license agreement. As long as the owner of the software/firmware in the iphone says it is a violation of the terms of their contract with you, it is a case that may stick. It all depends on the judge / jury decision. At best, you can say it is a gray area as are all civil cases. At worse you lose and suffer the loss of your phone and service. out of warranty etc.
Jail breakers are not alone on this. I believe the use of software like PDANet may be a violation of Verizon's license forbidding tethering except through Verizon subscription service add-on. Haven't heard any public statements on this, however. Apple is different as they have made their case claim and now violators will have the opportunity to argue the case claim in court. Criminal for DMCA and civil for license violation.
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I don't know anything about PDANet but does it physical change or modify the OS that is running on the phone. If not I have no problem with it as it is just being in violation of the Verizon license and terms of use as these are not laws.
Like I have said above, I would personally love for Apple to open up the iPhone to all of these apps as if we should have the ability to run any app on the phone that we want as long as they are legal. Treat it just like a computer and let us install any application that we want. It should not matter if they find the content objectionable.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what the DCMA rules on this matter.
Add In T-Mobile allows tethering.
I have a grandfathered $19.99 unlimited internet plan (T-Zones is limited internet)
Here's a simple example. c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
Code:
# Copyright (c) 1993-2006 Microsoft Corp.
#
# This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
#
# This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
# entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
# be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
# The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
# space.
#
# Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
# lines or following the machine name denoted by a '#' symbol.
#
# For example:
#
# 102.54.94.97 rhino.acme.com # source server
# 38.25.63.10 x.acme.com # x client host
127.0.0.1 localhost
::1 localhostGranted, this is somewhat different than reverse engineering the boot binary in order to unlock some hidden "feature" or is it really? Just because this file's provided in plain text form and contains comments regarding how it should be modified, is no reason the copyright notice at the top is any less valid. By modifying it I have in effect done "reverse engineering" of how the Windows TCP/IP stack works, and by distributing it here I'm probably in violation of the license agreement somehow.
I used to have T-Mobile with T-Zones. I thought T-Zones were time free internet wifi connections, like at Starbucks, Panera Bread etc. The wifi connections were often at 802.11b speed. The GPRS was not T-Zones but dialup based connection and it was often at 100kbps spped in most places when it worked. OK for download text e-mail but anything else and there wasn't enough minutes in the day to open up satelliteguys.us.
Jag, the PDANet actually runs on your computer, not on your cellphone. It uses active sync on the XP OS and Vista works without it or uses Windows MObile device center. Once you sync the phone to the computer, you launch PDANet on your computer is it sees the EVDO Rev A connection just like a cable modem.
Jag, the PDANet actually runs on your computer, not on your cellphone. It uses active sync on the XP OS and Vista works without it or uses Windows MObile device center. Once you sync the phone to the computer, you launch PDANet on your computer is it sees the EVDO Rev A connection just like a cable modem.
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