Answers to your Hopper Questions
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The second one is a problem you created for yourself. Thats not a DISH issue.
True enough, but removing features that work and people do use, no matter how small they are, in newer receivers is very much DISH's problems. Not to mention all the towns that are still not in full hd on DISH's satellite. Those people can't use the hopper or the Primetime Anytime feature at all .
How many times does it have to be said: OTA is being developed, it has not been "removed." They released a product ready for the majority of customers, with an upgrade path to add more features later. If they waited until "every" feature was implemented, we'd probably wait another year or more, and people would complain about that. Just wait for any currently missing feature before you move to Hopper, if you move at all.
BTW, they are a satellite company, they don't even have to provide OTA at all. How well has DirecTV historically supported OTA?
BTW, they are a satellite company, they don't even have to provide OTA at all. How well has DirecTV historically supported OTA?
Don't most TVs have an antenna input so that you can get OTA without going through your Dish equipment until OTA is released?
Used to be, there seemed to be a gentleman's agreement between D* & E*. They only mentioned cablecos, not each other. Times change. They certainly are competing with cablecos. If you're happy with Cableco service and DVRs, by all means, give them your business. Dish gives me FAR better service than my cableco did. And with MUCH better equipment. Don't compare the cheap "free" boxes from most cablecos to Dish boxes. And look at the cableco fees for each extra box. And I've seen posts here where some cablecos charge as much for a card as for a STB.
More tuners. And for me, mostly, redundancy if one Hopper goes, you still have TV service.
Not saying this to be argumentative...I hear what you're saying, and agree with you to a point. I think my main concern, and likely that of a few other more-vocal OTA-supporters, is the recent history of Dish releasing products "with an upgrade path to add more features later", then failing to release said features. Sling Extender, anyone? It was being developed for a long while...and finally cancelled.
I'd hate to think the OTA adapter/module/whatever for the Hopper could follow the same path...and hence I hope the constant OTA discussions will keep Dish on their feet that it IS important to a decent number of us...even if we are long from being the majority.
That is true...and mine does as well. Problem is that most of what I like to watch is shown when I'm not home...hence the desire for OTA on the DVR. Is it necessity?...certainly not, and like others, I'll just keep my 722K until it is hopefully released.
Most tvs don't come with built in dvrs though. Making recordings of ota over tv only ,pretty much a no go .
There is a simple solution to this...
DON'T UPGRADE.
Scott , I don't plan on upgrading. Not at this time. But discussing potential features about this receiver are very much still allowed right? You are starting to sound like either you except all the flaws that come with this receiver or just go away. After all you said DISH is reading these threads and wants our input about their new receiver. I think suffering through the 922 disaster, entitles me to put my two cents in here.
As crazy as it sounds, DVR is a luxury not a necessity. I'm trying to understand what is most important to the ones upset about there not being OTA support yet. Is it more important to be able to watch your OTA channels or record the sub channels. For the ones using weather as an excuse to complain about there not being OTA support yet, I don't feel that is a valid excuse. If it's so important just have it connected to your TV.
Looking at things this way, tv is a luxury not a necessity. I think each individual gets to decide what is a luxury or a necessity. I have a 922 and was really looking forward to the new line of receivers. I can't live without ota and won't upgrade until it's offered. but I don't see why some think it's o.k. to praise the great new features of the hopper/joey but don't want others to show there disappointment in features that are now missing that they consider a necessity.
Two cents, sure. But I think we're up to $20 worth of your two cents. 
I want OTA too, although I actually watch little OTA (at home). I also have a DTVPAL DVR and a Sony DHG500. But it's easier to record to the Dish DVR. So I'll wait, and watch, and maybe upgrade later this year. Or not.
I won't consider upgrading until full 2 Hopper integration is here, and OTA. But I'm not posting endlessly about the lack of these features at intro. I understand the value of getting a product out the door that meets most needs. To post the same complaints over and over, especially after the reasons why have been presented makes one look like they are just interested in complaining.
I want OTA too, although I actually watch little OTA (at home). I also have a DTVPAL DVR and a Sony DHG500. But it's easier to record to the Dish DVR. So I'll wait, and watch, and maybe upgrade later this year. Or not.
I won't consider upgrading until full 2 Hopper integration is here, and OTA. But I'm not posting endlessly about the lack of these features at intro. I understand the value of getting a product out the door that meets most needs. To post the same complaints over and over, especially after the reasons why have been presented makes one look like they are just interested in complaining.
Same goes for the people who bash those who do. Usually the "complaints" are just responses to the bashers, or the people saying "what's the big deal?" If someone asks a question as if they don't understand, they should expect an answer.
I guess I just don't find it to be such a big deal because most customers do not want to get Dish because of OTA. They want satellite service at a good price. The only reason I say all of this is because I'm like you guys. I love having the OTA module in my receiver. I have an antenna and like to have it for severe weather. I live in the midwest so it's important to me. Not having OTA in the Hopper really doesn't kill it for me because I know I can still see my OTA channels on my HDTV and the sub channels really are not that important to me. With PTAT it helps even more with the recordings.
I guess I'm not that upset because I'm optimistic that OTA will be available this summer and I'm looking forward to the more important feature too much to wait. I'm getting it right away. If it doesn't live up to what it's suppose to be I won't be upset, it's just TV.
I guess I'm not that upset because I'm optimistic that OTA will be available this summer and I'm looking forward to the more important feature too much to wait. I'm getting it right away. If it doesn't live up to what it's suppose to be I won't be upset, it's just TV.
But one (or two or three people) who bitch about something equals 1-3 complaints about feature "x" (or lack of feature "x"). They aren't taking multiple complaints from the same person or people and accumulating them !
Your right. I am just happy they are going to try and get ota implemented sometime this summer. I wish you were in my area. You would have my business.
Okay I like Dvring certain channels and watching them in my time. Metv is big in my house and we like to watch the recordings when we have times on the weekend. As for weather concerns, try to live in a hurricane zone , that has been hit 3 times in the last 7 years , and you would feel the same concerns. Yes, I have antenna hooked up to my tv as a back up . I also have the ability on my 722k to do the same thing, without having to change inputs on the tv and the a/v receiver too . I can't understand why a feature that DISH has added to their receivers for years , is now not being included in their latest receivers. Why take away a feature that people like and do use ,just because certain subs don't take advantage of it? As for dvrs being a luxury, I could say the same thing about satellite or cable tv. If you have a dvr , you certainly don't want to do without it . Isn't that the whole reason why they created the whole house dvr in the first place? Dvr capability for every tv in your house in HD.
I don't understand why there are those out there that think removing an existing feature is a good thing, on newer receivers. Make it an option like the ota module is today on the 722k and it satisfies both the savings cost on building the receivers and lets those out there who do want ota to add it at their costs. Since they say they are going to add ota for the hopper this summer, this entire conversation is really redundant. I only hope that they Do add the ota support for it and not string us along with promises of coming SSOOONNN!
Look if you like the hopper and you want to upgrade to it and accept all the lack of features, that is has and may continue to have, then go for it. I'm not stopping you or anyone from doing so. But just remember this. I was just like you were in 2009 salivating about the new 922 and the potential to get hd on tv 2 . Look how that turned out. I learned from the experience and have posted as much. If you don't like my posts and you feel they are complaining, then I suggest you hit IGNORE . I'm not going to stop posting just because you don't like my opinion . So the best thing you can do is change you reaction to my posts. Besides I was answering another posters question to why I had to have ota.
To me with all this talk about how important OTA is and whether or not those who want it can or should wait till "summer", I think there is a more important feature that has yet to be given a tentative date...when will 2 Hoppers be able to see each other? i know this has been mentioned as a top priority, very important, working on it now, etc, etc...Does this mean "Before OTA" meaning "before Summer"? To me personally that is more important than OTA and that is the feature i will be waiting for before upgrading. If that is supposedly more important to Dish than OTA, it would be nice if they can give even an idea as to when we might see that.
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LOL
http://www.satelliteguys.us/hopper-zone/278138-hopper-poll-2-a.html
Oh, and the number of respondents (200+) in this poll correlate nicely to the other poll (200+, over 2/3rds) who were disappointed or uncertain about the hopper.
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