thank you guys for everything ..... I finally found amc4...i had the configuration on the box all wrong and the lnb was skewed all wrong...I also had to change my lnb to a standard ku band one as the universal lnb seemed to be giving me a hard time..I am all smiles today and i have all you guys to thank for your patience and support...however after scanning the maximum signal was 93%(iam in montreal) & I dont seem to have the LLBN channel?!!!