after dls upgrade dish can't dial out

marzook

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Nov 19, 2008
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hi, i hope someone can help me, as my fruitless ongoing conversations with at&t and dish network are making my ears bleed. :confused:i have an at&t landline, dsl and dish all running on the same phone line. for a year everything worked fine. then at&t told me a higher speed dsl was available in my area. so i signed up. (they all have meaningless names, pro, speed, like that, but i was on the lowest and went to mid range) two weeks later, they told me the highest speed was suddenly available, so okay, i signed up for that one. i immediately lost my dls connection. turns out (after five zillion phone calls) i really wasn't close enough to whatever tower to get the fastest, so they backed me back down to the midrange. somewhere in the middle of this, dish stopped being able to call out. i didn't get the error message, but i noticed when i tried to order a pay per view movie that it couldn't dial out. and sure enuff, when the bill arrived i had that dreaded $5 buck charge. the diagnostic test said phone line ok, but dial out failed. the phone line plugged into the receiver (which is in the bedroom) as always, seemed fine. when i plug a phone in (using same cords) i get dial tone and can dial out. have filters on everything. nothing changed in terms of the hardware. the only thing that changed was the dsl speed. so anyway, dish sends me a new receiver. (old one did not have a smart card, this one does.) took an hour to set up; then, same problem. it would not dial out. was it the dsl, i wondered? so i unplugged that. no difference. then, i tried unplugging the phone (cordless landline) in the living room. suddenly, it could dial out. so this is the weird part. jack with phone is in living room (where second tv is, though on a different outlet and circuit), jack with dls is in office, jack with dish receiver is in bedroom. in each case, there is only the one thing plugged into the jack. so these are three seperate locations and jacks we are talking about. so having tested it a number of different ways (swapping out cords and filters, no difference) i found that if >anything< is plugged into the living room jack room (old rotary phone, new uniden phone, it doesn;t matter) dish can't call out. if the dsl is plugged in (and phone is out) it can. so it is whatever is plugged into that jack -- even though it's in a different room. the other issue is, now that i have the new recivier, the tv in the living room can't get signal. tried all the normal troubleshooting, but it's just snow. so the dish tech is coming sat. i have a call into at&t cause i know, 10-1, dish is going to say it's a jack / line problem,( though the lines have been checked many times in my ongoing effort to get three basic services -- phone, internet and dish -- to work together and please stop fighting!). so here i sit, with dish only on in the bedroom (and unable to call out if phone in living room is plugged in) and a tv in the living room that is not working at all. dsl is just fine, thank goodess, or i couldn't whine about it here on sat.guys. just wondering if anyone else has had this problem and if there is anything i can try -- thanks a lot!!
marcy
 
hi, i hope someone can help me, as my fruitless ongoing conversations with at&t and dish network are making my ears bleed. :confused:
Your post made my eyes bleed...:confused:

My story is similar, I had AT&T DSL at the 3 Mb speed and upgraded to the 6 Mb service. My download speed did not come close to 6 Mb, it was more like 3 Mb. I found that my house had been wired such that a circuit I thought was Filtered really wasn't, so I installed a DSL filter on my 622 and the phone that was plugged into the unfiltered line and now I get 5.6 Mb DSL and no Dish problems.

I hope that helps out. And sorry for the dig on the first line, but you lobbed an easy one out there... :D And :welcome to SatelliteGuys.US!
 
thanks, foxbat -- and a ??

thanks for the info, foxbat, though i do have a question about what kind of filters and where i should put them (now now, nothing fresh) :Dright now, i have standard "filters" like you buy at radio shack plugged into the jack where the phone is then plugged in, and plugged into the jack where the dish dial out line is plugged in (the dish rep had my try putting two, then three similar filters on that line but it idn't help). but the line from the dls modem is plugged directly into that jack sans filter. question(s): should there be a filter on the dsl line? do i need a specific heavy-duty dsl filter? thanks,
marcy
 
unplugging the dsl filter wont do anything as they enable the dsl on your phonelines from the local dsl servers. the dsl signal is still there even if you unplug your dsl modem.
 
thanks for the info, foxbat, though i do have a question about what kind of filters and where i should put them (now now, nothing fresh) :Dright now, i have standard "filters" like you buy at radio shack plugged into the jack where the phone is then plugged in, and plugged into the jack where the dish dial out line is plugged in (the dish rep had my try putting two, then three similar filters on that line but it idn't help). but the line from the dls modem is plugged directly into that jack sans filter. question(s): should there be a filter on the dsl line? do i need a specific heavy-duty dsl filter? thanks,
marcy
The DSL modem line does not get a Filter, but any telephone, answering machine, Tivo, satellite receiver, FAX machine, alarm system, or Caller ID device connected to your phone line needs one. Re-reading your original post, it looks like a problem with the telephone jack in your living room. Why it started up when you upgraded your DSL is strange.

Regarding your replacement Dish receiver, your 2nd TV problem is either 1) the wrong channel set in the receiver, or 2) the coax cable to the 2nd TV wasn't connected to the back of the new receiver. To check #1, take a look at the channel that the living room TV is tuned to, then go into the System setup menus to set the receiver to the same channel.
 
If you are lucky enough to be able to route all telephone service directly to the DSL modem, then the modem will serve as the filter and no other filter will be needed for all the downstream phones/fax/answerer. Not all modems may have the filter but then you still only need one filter to the rest of the house. If your phone system branches before the modem then each leg needs its filter. Works for me.
I hope you have 22 or 24 AWG wiring and not like my original 28 or so. That did not work well even with 56k (53k) modem but that modem did work with the wiring upgrade I installed with a remodel after the phone co. removed a "pair gain" device, which will be gone with any DSL install.
-Ken
 
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I have heard that some have had to put two DSL filters on their Dish receiver to get it to dial out. Mine have always worked fine with DSL.
 
update: foxbat was right

foxbat was right. for some reason the jack in the living room went rouge. no idea why, but even plugging in a phone cord with nothing attached was causing the dial out to fail. the timing was probably coincidental. i relocated the phone to the office with a splitter that has a filter one one side where you plug in the phone line but not where the internet plugs in. now everything is working fine. i guess the spoiled phone jack is an issue for the phone company at some point, but since i have a working "work around" i don't want to mess with it. the dish guy came out and got the second tv working just by hitting a button -- the phone rep had had me reset the second tv to 60 instead of 73, but even though the readout said it was set to 60 it had (invisibly) reset to 73; so he just set it where it wanted to be and that problem was solved.
 

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