Aereo Attracts Support From Dish Network, EFF & More For SCOTUS Hearing

But...... where does it say the antenna has to be on your property - or under your control? If it that were true, Aereo would immediately be shut down. Again, this is the typical technology outpacing what people could think of years ago when the rules were made, no different than the DVR/VHS/Digital music debates. I'm not even remotely saying Aereo will win, but equally I'm not saying they will lose, it just isn't that clear cut.

It is hard to argue that it is end user use and private audience if the antenna is not located in a location controlled by the individual. OTA free reception is for individual use, VCRs/DVRs are under fair use by individuals. Aereo is arguing that it is all individual use, not commercial use. Aereo has been immediately shut down by some district courts (i.e. injunction before trial). Some district courts say otherwise hence the Supreme Court sorting it out.
 
I think what Claude said is going to have to be proved by Aereo in Court. (My guess) I believe the antennas can work, question is are they really close enough to the towers for them to. I just don't think Aereo is making that up and spending an unbelievable amount of money expanding. But time will tell.
 
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I just don't believe the tiny antenna actually works as they claim.

What we need to know is where their so called antenna farm is located and then map it out to the towers.

I'm assuming Aereo picked a location for their antenna farms where the small antennas would work. I can use a paperclip and get FOX & PBS from my home.

FWIW, I've been to the DirecTV pickup. With two exceptions, they have an antenna for each local pointing to that station's transmitter.
 
http://www.businessweek.com/article...ts-on-legal-definition-of-public-performance?

Yet another article on the battle.

In the federal appellate case, a dissenting judge called Aereo “a Rube Goldberg-like contrivance” designed to get around the spirit of the law. Yet it’s hard to draw a clear technical line between the technology used by Aereo and that of Cablevision’s DVR, or between that of Aereo and Apple’s (AAPL) iCloud. Apple lets consumers stream music, TV, and movies they’ve already purchased, and Aereo argues that its own service offers access to broadcast programming that would be free anyway. “The problem the court faces is that if they want to say that Aereo is violating the law, they have to explain how it’s different from Cablevision or, more generally, cloud computing,” says Christopher Sprigman, a professor at the New York University School of Law, who isn’t involved in the case.
 
I think Aereo will and should win.

It's even looking like the networks are thinking Aereo will win as it's being leaked out they are getting ready to offer their programming online at a price lower then Aereo. Which could in turn force Aereo out of business.

I just wonder how long it would take Directv and Dish to offer free antennas using Aereo technology to avoid paying retrans fees.


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I just wonder how long it would take Directv and Dish to offer free antennas using Aereo technology to avoid paying retrans fees.

It would be difficult for Dish/DIRECTV to get around it. Perhaps in smaller markets they could get a concession to unbundle locals for those that can receive OTA. But the major markets will use their muscle like ABC did to push autohop out 3 days...
 
I think Aereo will and should win.

It's even looking like the networks are thinking Aereo will win as it's being leaked out they are getting ready to offer their programming online at a price lower then Aereo. Which could in turn force Aereo out of business.

I just wonder how long it would take Directv and Dish to offer free antennas using Aereo technology to avoid paying retrans fees.


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The only way I see Aereo losing is if the networks can prove the "mini-antennas" won't function on their own (that they only work when "ganged" together). IMO, the case hangs on the technical aspects.
 
It would be difficult for Dish/DIRECTV to get around it. Perhaps in smaller markets they could get a concession to unbundle locals for those that can receive OTA. But the major markets will use their muscle like ABC did to push autohop out 3 days...

Wouldn't be an issue. They just let their contracts expire. The only issue would be the all number of owned and operated stations.


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I think Aereo will and should win... I just wonder how long it would take Directv and Dish to offer free antennas using Aereo technology to avoid paying retrans fees.

I'd settle for the EEPG for my local OTA channels, independent of the satellite equivalent. While my Cox Internet connection would probably handle the bandwidth, I'd rather not suck it up for TV I can get directly through my antenna on the roof.
 
And therein lies the real crux of the broadcasters' beef...they are deathly afraid of losing their cash cow.

That's just it, they don't need to!

They just need to offer their own Aereo type system for around the same price as Aereo, to give tv viewers in that pricing group a CHOICE!

That's why I do NOT understand the people in this thread that seemingly can't wait to see Aereo lose the battle. If Aereo loses, we ALL lose, plain and simple. The present group of providers will continue to hold us hostage to their pricing, and what little technical innovation they will allow. Until they finally price themselves out of the market that is, and nobody can afford tv anymore.

Vcr's didn't hurt them like they thought, it made them billions. This won't hurt them either. The world keeps ticking, and technology keeps advancing...
 
Excellent point!! They could put Aereo out of business. They could offer Distants on their terms, say you must get your locals, but then you may get Distants too. There is alot they could do to improve the TV experience. Your point is exactly what I meant when I said this about Technology just as the DVR was, or digital music. They don't want advancements but can't always stop it. Do what the music industry finally did, join it instead of fight it.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/17/netflix-cable_n_5168725.html

Netflix/Hulu subs and under 34 year old households are already breaking the broadcasting system:

And that number gets even higher if you look at a younger segment of the population. Almost a quarter of young adults between 18 and 34 who subscribe to Netflix or Hulu don't pay for TV, Experian found.

Since the current trend of PayTV average billing is on the way to $200/month by early 2020s, I have a feeling a lot more people will be joining the young cord cutters. Just like the cell phone/home phone trend...

Of course the current broadcast network heads rather vacuum up every $$ they can for the next few years and let the broken system be the next executive's problem...
 
I just don't think that if Aereo wins, consumers automatically win. My Dish bill won't change as Dish will still charge a hefty fee for providing those networks.

I don't see any big movement here wanting Aereo to lose. If anything, I don't see the added benefit either way. If Aereo wins, laws will change to keep the status quo. If Aereo loses, nothing changes anyways.
 
Wouldn't be an issue. They just let their contracts expire. The only issue would be the all number of owned and operated stations.

Dish tried to make a go of it without local channels on satellite and antennas for OTA... Remember how well that went? It was not until they did LiL that they really built the subs up. More than half the programming people watch is still on the big 4.

I thought about it some more and the only way I see Dish getting out of this is if they play hardball and get the locals to be a la carte again. It will be really difficult in O&O markets, but for most of the country Dish in theory could go a la carte locals and let the subscriber decide if an antenna is good enough.
 
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That's just it, they don't need to!

They just need to offer their own Aereo type system for around the same price as Aereo, to give tv viewers in that pricing group a CHOICE!

That's why I do NOT understand the people in this thread that seemingly can't wait to see Aereo lose the battle. If Aereo loses, we ALL lose, plain and simple. The present group of providers will continue to hold us hostage to their pricing, and what little technical innovation they will allow. Until they finally price themselves out of the market that is, and nobody can afford tv anymore.

Vcr's didn't hurt them like they thought, it made them billions. This won't hurt them either. The world keeps ticking, and technology keeps advancing...
The problem with broadcasters streaming their own signal is their contract with the program providers (whether syndicated or network). Some syndicators have no problem with stations streaming, others not so much. Go to your local channels web page during a newscast. Can you watch a stream of their newscast? Does it include the on air commercials? Now, why do you think they stream newscasts but not programming?

I'm sure stations would LOVE to be able to stream themselves. The technology is there.
 
The problem with broadcasters streaming their own signal is their contract with the program providers (whether syndicated or network). Some syndicators have no problem with stations streaming, others not so much. Go to your local channels web page during a newscast. Can you watch a stream of their newscast? Does it include the on air commercials? Now, why do you think they stream newscasts but not programming?

I'm sure stations would LOVE to be able to stream themselves. The technology is there.

The "networks" of course really only care about their prime time programming, what shows on the locals the rest of the day is the local's problem as far as the networks are concerned. Since most of the networks stream their prime time anyways now via their own websites or Hulu, I am sure they have the streaming rights locked down for their prime time shows.
 
Networks selling their programming direct to the consumer is going to happen sooner or later.

I would hate to be an affiliate because other then local news there will be no real need for them.


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Networks selling their programming direct to the consumer is going to happen sooner or later.

I would hate to be an affiliate because other then local news there will be no real need for them.


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While I agree the ranks of affiliates might be thinned in coming decades, there will still be a place for local news (or even other locally produced programs).
 

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