Comcast Still King
Lets not forget that Comcast is in a completely different league... what is it, 1000+ HD channels?
Lets not forget that Comcast is in a completely different league... what is it, 1000+ HD channels?
200 HD channels?
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To add to this sentiment. I just found out a couple of days ago that if some HD sports broadcasts go over the 4 hour mark. You can see the HD version until Dish turns it off.
Not 100% accurate - comcast claim is about over 1000 HD choices, not channels.Lets not forget that Comcast is in a completely different league... what is it, 1000+ HD channels?
Todd Spangler at multichannel.com posted a new article explaining Dish fuzzy math - 57 of the so-called 200 HD channels are VOD HD titles pre-loaded into the 1Tb Vip922 hard drive. 
http://www.multichannel.com/article/451682-Dish_s_200_HD_Channels_Include_57_VOD_Titles.php
http://www.multichannel.com/article/451682-Dish_s_200_HD_Channels_Include_57_VOD_Titles.php
Setting aside the fact that not many people have 922s, I'm not sure how HD VOD titles can be considered a "national HD channels". Dish is taking this page straight out of the Cable Companies' playbook and it's not a good thing.
dangue, it's even worse: At least Comcast always claimed to have 1000 <b>choices</b>. Comcast never called a HD VOD choice a channel.
I really don't understand why Dish is doing this: At the present time, they do offer more HD channels than most providers, including channels such as Fox Soccer Channel and BBC A in HD, a channel that not that many of the national providers offer. Or Travel Channel in HD, a very popular channel not carried by Directv. They would be much better off sticking to the facts, imho.
Actually Directv claims they have the MOST HD which they DONT. Both companies lie and deaves and thatll never change but for D* to say they have more HD than E* is as bold of a lie as you can tell.
There should be truth in advertisement requirements. Maybe the goverment should look at crap like to keep big companies in line rather then misleading advertising.
I was just looking on Dish's own website...it is funny, if you look under english programming...and then look at the everything package, it says add over 120 HD channels...if they were really at 200, wouldnt you advertise 200? not 120?
They have over 200 channels that can show HD programming. A lot are PPV, VOD, and Alternate Sports channels but they do have them. Dish is not lying. Even when you get rid of those channels Dish still has the most HD everyday channels. They also keep adding channels when they can to make people happy. I'm not sure why anyone is complaining, other than doing it just for the sake of complaining. People have always been great at doing that on here.
I don't think anybody is complaining, we just want to know where the 200 HD National Channels are. We'd like to see their list.
And yes I agree they have the most HD channels but Directv will be adding more in the next few months.
Perhaps people are upset because the claim is misleading? VOD "Channels" aren't national channels. They're additonal viewing options, but shouldn't be part of any national channel count.
I don't think people are just mad at Dish on this, they're mad at all the providers for offering inflated numbers. Dish is just the most recent ridiculous example.
On this website, we'll all very well informed, so it's not a big deal. But this could seriously impact the choice of someone who is a satellite newbie and doesn't know fact from fiction. In this, i think the company is being short sighted. A customer that feels misled is more likely to bail ASAP than to stick around. Then again, maybe they'd never have gotten the customer in the first place without the "200 national HD channels" claim.
what if we look at the uplink report? are there channels there that aren't 'turned on' yet that they might be counting?
I will do a count on my receiver tonight and see what I get.
I will do a count on my receiver tonight and see what I get.
Hemi already counted them:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-vs-directv-war-zone/210172-e-200-hd-channel-list.html
Not even close to the 200 channels. IMO, VOD doesn't count.
I second your comments and would have liked to make those points as well as you did.
But the end game is: which provider has more of the channels you want? Even after the D* announcement today, I would be hard-pressed (outside of YES, MSG-HD and Gol-TV) to think of a channel D* will be offering that I want or don't have on Dish. Premium movies, maybe. Full-time RSNs, OK. But IIRC their initial list of new releases is still missing BBCA-HD, FSC-HD, Style-HD, E!-HD, HLN-HD, TCM-HD, HistInt-HD and probably some others. So for me Dish is still better. For others, I'm sure, D* will be, but I try to pick my battles and calling Dish and the others out on their disingenuous statements is not one I want to fight.
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Not to change the subject, but I was a little suprised myself when I saw the HD channels comcast has in my area. They have added quite a bit, almost in the area of Dish and Direct, but there equipment fees are still high (higher then dish)
Originally posted by nmetro from the other site:
I know it's misleading, but this is prolly Dish's count. :down
- USA
- COMEDY
- LIFTIME
- LIFETIME MOVIE NET
- FOOD
- HGTV
- E!
- A&E
- BIO
- HISTORY
- SYFY
- BET
- BRAVO
- BBCA
- FX
- TNT
- TBS
- ESPN
- ESPN NEWS
- ESPN2
- FOX SOCCER
- SPEED
- VS
- CBSC
- NFL
- NFL RED ZONE
- MTV
- VHI
- CMT
- SPIKE
- NICK
- DISNEY
- DISXD
- TOON
- ABC FAMILY
- DISCOVERY
- TLC
- HALLMARK
- NATIONAL GEO
- HALLMARK MOVIE
- SCI
- GREEN
- CNN
- TRU
- FOX NEWS
- FOX BN
- CNBC
- MSNBC
- TWC
- TRAVEL
- WGN
- SPORTSMAN
- HBO
- HBO2
- HBO SIGNATURE
- HBO WEST
- HBO FAMILY
- HBO COMEDY
- HBO ZONE
- HBO LATINO
- CINEMAX
- MAX WEST
- ACTION MAX
- 5 STAR MAX
- SHOWTIME
- SHOW WEST
- SHOW TOO
- SHOW SHOWCASE
- TMC
- ENCORE
- STARZ
- STARZ WEST
- STARZ EDGE
- STARZ COMEDY
- STARZ KID&FAMILY
- MAV
- HD NET
- INDIPLEX
- HD THEATER
- RETROPLEX
- UNIVERSAL
- PALIDIA
- CENTRIC
- LOGO
- FTV
- HDNET MOVIE
- MGM
- CI
- WFN
- TENNIS
- GOLF
- NBA
- NHL
- BIGTEN
- COMCAST CALIFORNIA
- ALTITUDE
- PRIME
- FSN ROCKY MT
- FSN ARIZONA
- FSN SOUTHWEST
- FSN WEST
- FSN MID WEST
- COMCAST BAY AREA
- FSN SOUTH
- COX
- SUN SPORTS
- FSN FLORIDA
- COMCAST MID ATLANTIC
- FSN OHIO
- FSN NORTH WEST
- FSN CINCINNATI
- FSN PITTSBURGH
- COMCAST CHICAGO
- FSN DETROIT
- STO
- NESN
- COMCAST NEW ENGLAND
- FSN NORTH
- SPORTS SOUTH
- SPORTS NY
- ALT SPORT 441
- ALT SPORT 442
- ALT SPORT 443
- ALT SPORT 444
- ALT SPORT 445
- ALT SPORT 446
- ALT SPORT 9514
- ALT SPORT 9515
- ALT SPORT 9516
- BIG TEN ALT 9501
- BIG TEN ALT 9502
- BIG TEN ALT 9503
- BIG TEN ALT 9504
- SPECIAL EVENT HD 468
- SPECIAL EVENT HD 469
- HUSTLER HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- VOD HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- MOVIE HD
- NBA LEAGE PASS ORDER
- NHL CENTER ICE ORDER
- SHORTS
- Epix
- Style
- G4
- National Geographic Wild
- TCM
- HLN
- History International
- through...
I know it's misleading, but this is prolly Dish's count. :down
IMO I think we all agree that PPV & VOD should not be counted as HD channels, but they always have been and probably always will be. Also it's pretty much the rule that if you're into sports you should go with D*, if you're into just general programing, go with E*. What I notice on looking at that AVS Forum Chart, the only channel that D* has that E* doesn't is the Smithsonian Channel (not counting any sport type channels, IE: MLB). Yet it shows that there are a lot of channels that E* has that D* doesn't. Even with the D* additional HD channels that are coming, it appears that D* is just catching up to what E* has.
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