Thanks for all your replies. Got busy and forget about my original post, must be old age. Anyway I will try to get my 90cm to work on 103 for Cozi so we will see. I would really like to motorize the dish but trees prevent that. I have multiple dishes in areas where there is LOS for a particular sat, AMC 21 for example. The tree guy wants 5K to cut down the tree that is causing the poor LOS for most of the arc and that's a little out of my budget. So when it gets a bit warmer, I will try for SES-3 and if a no-go use it on a different sat.