Thanks for the response, didn't know that D* didn't want CE mentioned. On the HR20 what info you have doesn't sync up with Earl's who said HR20-700's are no longer being made but HR20-100's are. There might be some truth to that since there was a post in a thread over there where someone was trying to get a HR20 and their installers said they were out last week but just got two skids of them in this week.