YES network?

[Greg Bimson]

I do inherently agree with this statement:

Anybody who wants Yes is already getting it, so to offer it just to attract subs, you would be starting from a baseline of 0 dollars and the total carraige cost putting you in the red immediately.

Why bother adding the channel if it would put you in the red and the return may not make it back to the black?

Then again, now that Dish Network has gained traction and more subs than DirecTV over the past two quarters, maybe it is time to revisit?

 

[Ron61250]

Why would adding YES be any more difficult for dish than adding SNY.Is YES asking that much more??

 

[Greg Bimson]

Based on the various reports, my belief is:

1) Dish Network is not willing to pay what everyone else is paying.

2) Part of this may be due to YES asking that the channel be placed in the smallest entry pack, AT120.

Point 1 is definite, as upon launch in 2002, only Cablevision and Dish Network did not come to terms, citing pricing concerns.

Point 2 is not as definite. I recall that upon launch, Time Warner was able to place YES in their digital tier. As that is not the lowest tier (basic tier), I'd believe that the requirement for the lowest tier placement is just a ruse.

YES has been able to somewhat rewrite the book on progressive carriage contracts. Even after Cablevision relented and then arbitration forced the channel into the basic tier, YES was able to sign up Cablevision for an exclusive, internet-based streaming of games to Cablevision subscribers. YES even managed to get placement onto FiOS systems throughout the Verizon service area, albeit with Yankees games blacked out outside the MLB-defined Yankees territory.

My personal belief is price. YES is the most expensive RSN in the country for in-market delivery.

 

[Mr Tony]

Shut up all ready. When are you ever going to learn?

obviously never

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

obviously never

Damn you beat me to it.

 

[BobMurdoch]

Actually, it's a plus for me. This Mets fan loves the idea that Georgie boy doesn't get a DIME from me.

And since Sirius's MLB channel just ranked the Mets 21st out of 30 teams, it is one of the few joys I expect to have this year in regards to baseball

 

[vampz26]

Pardon me for having an opinion.

 

[Mr Tony]

opinion...yes

but

But not to fear, there is no shortage of D* subs who poke their nose regularly in E* forums just to be sure to remind you that D* carries Yes and make sure you never forget that...so...

is flaming.....err baiting

 

[Kheldar]

DISH does not generally enter into agreements that require all subs to pay for a channel that a minority of subsribers have interest in, a la NFLST and MLBEI.

Horse pucky!

A large portion of channels that are included in every DishNet package (and everyone else's also) are "channel that a minority of subscribers have interest in", yet because of the package structure everyone has to pay for them.

If DishNet wouldn't "generally enter into agreements that require all subs to pay for a channel that a minority of subsribers have interest in", then they would offer only a la carte services.

Studies say that the typical American only watches 15 channels. A package structure with a minimum of 120 channels means that everyone is paying for channels that they have no interest in.

 

[vampz26]

opinion...yes

but

is flaming.....err baiting

Try neither. I'll admit my tone has been a bit pithy lately due to understandable level of frustration I've been experiencing with certain individuals, but that comment was completely arbitrary. The only 'flame' per se, was the response as it was competely inappropriate and unsolicited. If you notice, I did not respond to it for that reason. I would hope than in all fairness you took appropriate action.

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[R0ss]

I guess some people do stay or sign up with a provider over one channel

If DIsh didn't carry NESN (new England Sports Network), I wouldn't be able to watch the Red Sox except for the dozen or so games on Fox every season so yes depending on how important that one network is to you it can make a difference as to who you choose to be your programing provider

Ross

 

[DodgerKing]

If DIsh didn't carry NESN (new England Sports Network), I wouldn't be able to watch the Red Sox except for the dozen or so games on Fox every season so yes depending on how important that one network is to you it can make a difference as to who you choose to be your programing provider

Ross

And Dish just added NESN a couple of years ago. Or was that just NESN HD?

 

[Mr Tony]

That was NESN HD

They have had NESN SD for years

 

[jrbdmb]

Such negotiations are not made public, but reports say that YES is demanding $3 per DISH subscriber to add the channel. That is supposedly for all subscribers nationally, not just the local RSN people as YES is a nationally viewed channel. DISH does not generally enter into agreements that require all subs to pay for a channel that a minority of subsribers have interest in, a la NFLST and MLBEI. To be fair to the Yankees and YES they are supporting a quarter of a billion dollar per year payroll and need the revenue to make that payroll. They can't give DISH a discount because then D*, FIOS and cable networks would cry foul and demand a better deal.

I call absolute BS on this. YES Network cannot have subs outside of the Yankees area pay $3/mo for a channel where almost all the programming will be blacked out. I'm tired of hearing this lie repeated every time the YES issue comes up.

The bottom line is George wants a certain amount per Yankees area sub, and Charlie is unwilling to pay that. I wouldn't get YES in any event, and I agree that anyone wanting YES left Dish a long time ago. But I am annoyed that way back when YES started Charlie claimed he would sign a deal with as soon as the local holdout Cablevision signed a deal; well, Cablevision signed and Charlie seemed to renege on his promise (though perhaps it's because George insisted on carraige in the AT100 package).

 

[Mr Tony]

I believe Scott's post since Charlioe said it himself

Charlie told me that he offered to carry YES Network ALA Carte and would give 100% of the money directly to YES Network.

Yes Network declined the offer.

They wanted to be put in the base package AT100 which Charlie would not do since all other RSN's are in the AT200 package.

 

[mike123abc]

I call absolute BS on this. YES Network cannot have subs outside of the Yankees area pay $3/mo for a channel where almost all the programming will be blacked out. I'm tired of hearing this lie repeated every time the YES issue comes up.

The bottom line is George wants a certain amount per Yankees area sub, and Charlie is unwilling to pay that. I wouldn't get YES in any event, and I agree that anyone wanting YES left Dish a long time ago. But I am annoyed that way back when YES started Charlie claimed he would sign a deal with as soon as the local holdout Cablevision signed a deal; well, Cablevision signed and Charlie seemed to renege on his promise (though perhaps it's because George insisted on carraige in the AT100 package).

I was at the meeting with Charlie where he discussed this in Dallas. He said, as Scott said above, that he offered 100% of the a la carte revenue, YES refused. YES just wants to be in every package in their area, not nationwide. It is not a nationwide issue for YES. What is nationwide is the other RSNs wanting the same treatment in their areas.

 

[Slamminc11]

I call absolute BS on this. YES Network cannot have subs outside of the Yankees area pay $3/mo for a channel where almost all the programming will be blacked out. I'm tired of hearing this lie repeated every time the YES issue comes up.

The bottom line is George wants a certain amount per Yankees area sub, and Charlie is unwilling to pay that. I wouldn't get YES in any event, and I agree that anyone wanting YES left Dish a long time ago. But I am annoyed that way back when YES started Charlie claimed he would sign a deal with as soon as the local holdout Cablevision signed a deal; well, Cablevision signed and Charlie seemed to renege on his promise (though perhaps it's because George insisted on carraige in the AT100 package).

the bottom line is that some people know more about the situation than others whether you think its BS or not.

 

[Greg Bimson]

YES just wants to be in every package in their area, not nationwide. It is not a nationwide issue for YES. What is nationwide is the other RSNs wanting the same treatment in their areas.

the bottom line is that some people know more about the situation than others whether you think its BS or not.

I know at one point YES was not in basic packages in the New York area. I don't know if that is the case any longer.

However, although I do think the excuse may be a bit bunk, after eight years I side with Dish Network on this. Why bother offering the channel when those who want it are subscribers on other systems? Dish Network and their customers have obviously done without the channel for this long; there is no true benefit to adding the channel.

 

[jrbdmb]

I understand YES wanting to be on the basic package, but AT100 is a "sub-basic" package that includes no RSN for anywhere in the country. If YES insisted on being in this package, then it is understandable that Dish said no.

Just want to note that I also understand why YES would refuse a-la-carte, even if they got all revenues - it's been shown pretty clearly that sports channels make more money being shown to all subs (even at a much lower fee) than they do as a pay service. There used to be some RSNs that were operated on the a-la-carte model, but now I'm not aware of any like this, and similar a-la-carte channels like Sentanta have not faired very well.

 

[jrbdmb]

the bottom line is that some people know more about the situation than others whether you think its BS or not.

FYI, I was only saying BS to the continuing statment that YES wanted $3 from every sub in the country, whether in NYC or California. Paying $3 a month in California for a channel where most of the programming is blacked out is a bit silly, but for some reason this misinformation is repeated on almost every YES Network thread.