Will DirecTV really ever be the leader
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Harshness
Clearly, to me, you are the one distorting reality. ALL of Directv's setbacks in deploying their hd rollout have been beyond their control, from the Spaceway sat troubles to the Sealaunch mishap. Why do you persist in fanning the flames by criticizing those that have supported D* by waiting patiently? There will be lots of hd by the middle of September if D10 launches properly and more by the end of the year. That is mostly what D* said they would do. You obviously have issues here.
Clearly, to me, you are the one distorting reality. ALL of Directv's setbacks in deploying their hd rollout have been beyond their control, from the Spaceway sat troubles to the Sealaunch mishap. Why do you persist in fanning the flames by criticizing those that have supported D* by waiting patiently? There will be lots of hd by the middle of September if D10 launches properly and more by the end of the year. That is mostly what D* said they would do. You obviously have issues here.
Aren't you also presupposing that all the promised new hd channels will be actually broadcasting by September? Many of these channels have been rather vague about their actual startup dates. Can they be operational by the 4th quarter 2007? Or is the 1st quarter of 2008 more realistic? I hope that D* is not setting up its hd customers for a big letdown this fall. The broadcasters will have to get their hd signals available asap for this to work. My fingers are crossed for you guys.
Must be the same as NASA lying because of the Discovery accident - after all they haven't sent up as many shuttles as they announced they would.
Or, they lied because hail damaged the booster 2 months ago and they had to postpone the last launch to check out the rocket.
To hold anyone to an 'absolute' in this type of endeavour is ABSURD. To bring it in within 6 months of plan is FANTASTIC. That's clearly MY judgement and view.
Or, they lied because hail damaged the booster 2 months ago and they had to postpone the last launch to check out the rocket.
To hold anyone to an 'absolute' in this type of endeavour is ABSURD. To bring it in within 6 months of plan is FANTASTIC. That's clearly MY judgement and view.
I'm not pre-supposing anything. I am 'expecting' the channels as announced. And you know what, rather than have this discussion now - let's wait until December and see who is correct. I don't feel the need to judge them until the end of the day.
#1 - The original announcement was made on 9/8/2004, DirecTV - Investor Relations - News Release
#2 - AFAIK, DirecTV didn't do the actual manufacture and launch of either Spaceway satellite, they just contracted for them. The contractors gave D* dates for when things would be completed which in hindsight looks like were inaccurate. Plus human error played a part in Spaceway 1's delay, at one point they thought that they had lost communications with the satellite and were worried that it was unrecoverable, see thread http://www.satelliteguys.us/directv-forum/34543-directv-has-control-spaceway-1-back.html. And IIRC, the launch of Spaceway 2 was delayed because the other satellite that was to be launch with it had technical problems which held up the entire payload. Except for D* publishing dates for their plans based on what their contractors told them, what did they do wrong?
#3 - Not sure how you want to wordsmith this but in DirecTV - Investor Relations - News Release D* did say that 2007 was the year of HD and "...the planned launch and carriage of 100 national high-definition (HD) channels." Not this press release was issue before Sealaunch had their malfunction in February which put a monkey wrench in D11's plans. I'm not a rocket expert but other have mentioned that the hardware for attaching a satellite to the launch vehicle is custom designed for the rocket that's carrying it so it's not as simple to just switch to another launch platform, that's even assuming that there is another launch vehicle available for D11 before SeaLaunch is due to get back in service.
Now with all that said, a lot has happened to the plan that was outside D*'s control, if those issues had not occured we wouldn't be having this, and all the other, conversations.
But to get back on topic - the OP asks a subjective - not OBJECTIVE question - the parameters are not defined.
I think that even today DirecTV is the HD lesder. I am a sports nut, and there is NO OTHER provider (cable, FiOS, DISH) that can deliver to my house the number of sports channels in HD that DirecTV can. If this is an inaccurate statement, provide proof.
When someone here can show me ANY OTHER provider that can get me the same or greater sports offering, then I will change ASAP.
Until then - DirecTV rules the HD roost IMO. After D10 launch, the rest will be there ALSO. For me, just gravy really.
I think that even today DirecTV is the HD lesder. I am a sports nut, and there is NO OTHER provider (cable, FiOS, DISH) that can deliver to my house the number of sports channels in HD that DirecTV can. If this is an inaccurate statement, provide proof.
When someone here can show me ANY OTHER provider that can get me the same or greater sports offering, then I will change ASAP.
Until then - DirecTV rules the HD roost IMO. After D10 launch, the rest will be there ALSO. For me, just gravy really.
I realize that it is difficult to spot links given some of the color schemes. In any case, the link that we both included in our posts refers to a press release that was dated less than three years ago and that's decidedly at odds with the false claim of four years.
You're completely missing the point (and the reason that I highlighted my intentions in RED). My point was that the fanboys and apologists are pretending that everything has always been right on schedule according to the original announcement. DIRECTV isn't claiming that the completion of their expansion project will be done by year-end. They are no longer promising 100 HD channels by EOY 2007. They are no longer insisting that the Sea Launch failure will have no impact on their plans. They are no longer claiming to be the leader in HD programming. To DIRECTV's credit, the only questionable claim that they're currently offering is that their HD picture is better than everyone else's.
It is in no one's best interest (save unscrupulous investors) to mislead others about what has and hasn't happened which includes the time line and other milestones.
harsh - I think its you missing the point entirely.
IMO they are doing a fantastic job of fulfilling the roll-out plans they announced in September of 2004. Like most huge plans to build infrastructure, parts of it have run a lilttle late - and 6 months is really not to shabby.
I don't need to apologize for nobody - if I was unhappy with what is going on I would change providers - not spend my time on these boards being so negative.
But to each their own.
I guess its ok to be an 'anti-fanboy', but not ok to be a fanboy.
3 days until launch!
IMO they are doing a fantastic job of fulfilling the roll-out plans they announced in September of 2004. Like most huge plans to build infrastructure, parts of it have run a lilttle late - and 6 months is really not to shabby.
I don't need to apologize for nobody - if I was unhappy with what is going on I would change providers - not spend my time on these boards being so negative.
But to each their own.
I guess its ok to be an 'anti-fanboy', but not ok to be a fanboy.
3 days until launch!
Lets just hope the rocket is successfully launched n Friday. Any failure would be a very BAD thing.
And it would not just be bad for DirecTV, if something happened everyone else would slow down their HD rollout as well.
And it would not just be bad for DirecTV, if something happened everyone else would slow down their HD rollout as well.
Guess you're missing my point. May folks post like it's all D*'s fault that dates announced back in 2004 are running late, I was just trying to point out that the slippage was not due to things under D*'s control. And in press release DirecTV - Investor Relations - News Release , it has the line: "An additional DIRECTV satellite will launch early next year to support further HD expansion. Between the two satellites, DIRECTV will have the capacity to deliver an industry leading 1,500 local HD and digital channels and 150 national HD channels, in addition to new advanced programming services for customers." so I guess they're still claiming to be the HD programming leader once D10/D11 are up.
BTW, just for reference hasrhness, who's your provider since you don't mention it in your profile?
What amazes me is that people still want to hold D* to an absolute schedule commitment based upon a 3 year old plan.
How many of you can say for absolute certainty what you will be doing in three years, and be able to follow a published schedule with no deviation or delays?
Hell, I can't even get out of bed in the morning on time.
How many of you can say for absolute certainty what you will be doing in three years, and be able to follow a published schedule with no deviation or delays?
Hell, I can't even get out of bed in the morning on time.
What amazes me is that people still want to hold D* to an absolute schedule commitment based upon a 3 year old plan.
How many of you can say for absolute certainty what you will be doing in three years, and be able to follow a published schedule with no deviation or delays?
Hell, I can't even get out of bed in the morning on time.
Actually its more like the 'daily stir the flames' post - no more - no less. i don't put much creedence in them mysellf.
Wow harsh. You really "zing" DirecTV. They are what...6 months later then planned 3 years ago. Wow, burn them at the stake.
We've all known the situation for a very long time. There has been very little national HD additions due to no bandwidth. DirecTV had a plan to change that and it has take about 3 years to complete.
If you were a DirecTV sub back in 2004 and didn't want to wait, cable or Dish Network would take you in their waiting arms.
For me, it's not that I was willing to wait, it was more that 1) Cable sucks here 2) Voom holds nothing for me 3) Sunday Ticket is my life. So I've been a happy sub the past 3 years and now all the new HD will just be a bonus.
Not sure why you and others are so bitter about "waiting so long". Ummmm, you knew the plan so deal with it.
We've all known the situation for a very long time. There has been very little national HD additions due to no bandwidth. DirecTV had a plan to change that and it has take about 3 years to complete.
If you were a DirecTV sub back in 2004 and didn't want to wait, cable or Dish Network would take you in their waiting arms.
For me, it's not that I was willing to wait, it was more that 1) Cable sucks here 2) Voom holds nothing for me 3) Sunday Ticket is my life. So I've been a happy sub the past 3 years and now all the new HD will just be a bonus.
Not sure why you and others are so bitter about "waiting so long". Ummmm, you knew the plan so deal with it.
This is where I think you are WAY off base. Perhaps some D* subs have seen things with rose colored glasses, but the majority of us have said all along that those things that have keep D* from staying on schedule are things that are out of their control. You keep coming back and making it sound as if it is D*'s fault that they do not have 150 hd channels up yet. We know better, so blast away if that is what floats your boat.
The funny part of all this is that those that are so deeply disturbed by the time frame, advertising etc...don't ever seem to be D* subs. Except of course Vurbano, and Questioner both of which neither I nor anyone else can explain.
Harsh, how disturbed can you possibly be? Are you fretting for the poor guy that bought into D*s unscrupulous plan bilking him of his hard earned HD money. Dude, go watch Monster Channel for another 3 months, then it should all be over and you can either do a John Lock, (last episode, season 2) "I was wrong!" or you can be even more devastated by D* being even later getting this done. Funny part is, either way it doesn't affect you and your TV watching one bit, but still you are so hurt......
Harsh, how disturbed can you possibly be? Are you fretting for the poor guy that bought into D*s unscrupulous plan bilking him of his hard earned HD money. Dude, go watch Monster Channel for another 3 months, then it should all be over and you can either do a John Lock, (last episode, season 2) "I was wrong!" or you can be even more devastated by D* being even later getting this done. Funny part is, either way it doesn't affect you and your TV watching one bit, but still you are so hurt......
hopefully they get the birds up right around time for my contract to run out with E*... Then I can pick again:clap:clap:clap:clap
NOTE: My Black Ops pilots license is current
I think I can safely say that D* has total control of the situation, with the talk of a "scrub" coming, I'm sure this is exactly what D*has planned just to fuel the flame(ers).
D* has total control of the situation, they have worked in cahoots with Boeing, ILA and the weather channel to ensure the programmed delays have progressed according to "THE" plan, they've gotten more attention than any successful launch could ever give them.
The launch team has been very well compensated for towing the "company line".
BTW this information comes from a very connected CSR I spoke with on the back door phone line last night.
The lemmings will continue to fall without "questioning" why!
I'm not very good at this Harh anti D* stuff.
Here's hoping for a successful launch and rollout. :up
BTW. D* sub since 1997.
I think I can safely say that D* has total control of the situation, with the talk of a "scrub" coming, I'm sure this is exactly what D*has planned just to fuel the flame(ers).
D* has total control of the situation, they have worked in cahoots with Boeing, ILA and the weather channel to ensure the programmed delays have progressed according to "THE" plan, they've gotten more attention than any successful launch could ever give them.
The launch team has been very well compensated for towing the "company line".
BTW this information comes from a very connected CSR I spoke with on the back door phone line last night.
The lemmings will continue to fall without "questioning" why!
I'm not very good at this Harh anti D* stuff. Here's hoping for a successful launch and rollout. :up
BTW. D* sub since 1997.
NOTE: My Black Ops pilots license is current
I think I can safely say that D* has total control of the situation, with the talk of a "scrub" coming, I'm sure this is exactly what D*has planned just to fuel the flame(ers).
D* has total control of the situation, they have worked in cahoots with Boeing, ILA and the weather channel to ensure the programmed delays have progressed according to "THE" plan, they've gotten more attention than any successful launch could ever give them.
The launch team has been very well compensated for towing the "company line".
BTW this information comes from a very connected CSR I spoke with on the back door phone line last night.
The lemmings will continue to fall without "questioning" why!
Here's hoping for a successful launch and rollout. :up
BTW. D* sub since 1997.
I dig the conspiracy theory. Getting the Weather Channel folks involved was, well, just plain genius!
A conspiracy! Oh no! I was afraid of this, but I'm not surprised. BTW, the only reason I'm so paranoid is because everyone is against me!
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