dwarren2 said:
If two hoppers are recording PTAT at the same time, aren't you recording the same programs twice?
Why isnt hopper a 6 tuner dvr??
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If two hoppers are recording PTAT at the same time, aren't you recording the same programs twice?
If a hopper is able to record 6 programs during prime time with PTAT on, does that mean a hopper with three joeys can view 4 live programs, 1(c)able + 3(n)etwork, 2c + 2n, 0c + 4n, at the same time, or will it still be 3 live plus 1 recorded?
I suggested something just like that when details of the hopper were first discussed. Receivers that you could add either a dual tuner ota module or dual tuner sat tuner . Then if you lived in an area with no real ota , you could still record 4 shows at a time using the vip style unit & a dual tuner sat module. I like the idea of using upgrade modules on Existing receivers. Another idea DISH could of done is come out with,is a way to link all existing receivers in your house, so you get whole house dvr without creating a new receiver. You would still get the $4.00 whole house fee ,but you wouldn't have to pay to upgrade to another new receiver.
2 separate Hoppers also gets you the benefit of redundancy. If a 6-tuner single unit dies (with the hard drive being the most likely point of failure), you're SOL. If you have 2x3-tuner units and one dies, you've still got some ability to watch TV while the replacement is on the way. Add in being able to get PIP at 2 TVs, and the same monthly cost, and I'm ok with it (once they get the sharing-between-Hoppers up). The additional upfront cost hurts a bit but is noise in the total cost over 2+ years.
It actually makes a lot of sense to not include OTA support built in. It's an extra expense that very few people actually use. Having it as an add-on option like the k series receivers have, is the best option. Once it's released, that is.
Cost, cost, cost, All about the costs. Why would Dish put a more expensive to manufacture 6 tuner box in a home when most house holds would use less than that. I think Dish made the correct middle ground: since the 1st Hopper is included in the cost, if one wants 6 tuners, I don't think the extra $7 is outrageous. Also, 5 or 6 tuners can beat up an HDD pretty fast, even in today's tech. Much less expensive to make the Hopper 3 sat tuners that will prolong the life of the HDD keeping RMA costs down, unless a household want to chip in the extra $7 per month.
I don't like Dish's, fees, in general, either. I have posted pretty strong post against Dish's current fee structure for the ViP's. While I do share the opinion that the first Joey should be included, otherwise I think the fee structure for the Hopper/Joey is "competitive." While I remember the days of box fees being $4.99 back in the 1990's, considering it is now 2012, I don't see the approximately $2 increase in the box fee over about 13 years since then for a sophisticated system like the Hopper/Joey being all that bad and certainly not "outrageous." In fact, I think the are best we could have ever hoped for--EXCEPT for the 1st Joey not being provided, especially when everyone would be paying the "Whole Home" fee even if they have only one Hopper and NO Joeys in their home. I suppose we can look at it like the double zero ( 00 ) on the Roulette Wheels in Vegas. If it weren't there, it might be a "fair game." But it is there, and we either place our bets (stay with Dish) or don't play that game (change to DirecTV or another MVPD). I am actually OK with the proposed fees. EVERYBODY fees us, and if we don't like it, we SHOULD cancel and go to DirecTV or whomever.
I don't like Dish's, fees, in general, either. I have posted pretty strong post against Dish's current fee structure for the ViP's. While I do share the opinion that the first Joey should be included, otherwise I think the fee structure for the Hopper/Joey is "competitive." While I remember the days of box fees being $4.99 back in the 1990's, considering it is now 2012, I don't see the approximately $2 increase in the box fee over about 13 years since then for a sophisticated system like the Hopper/Joey being all that bad and certainly not "outrageous." In fact, I think the are best we could have ever hoped for--EXCEPT for the 1st Joey not being provided, especially when everyone would be paying the "Whole Home" fee even if they have only one Hopper and NO Joeys in their home. I suppose we can look at it like the double zero ( 00 ) on the Roulette Wheels in Vegas. If it weren't there, it might be a "fair game." But it is there, and we either place our bets (stay with Dish) or don't play that game (change to DirecTV or another MVPD). I am actually OK with the proposed fees. EVERYBODY fees us, and if we don't like it, we SHOULD cancel and go to DirecTV or whomever.
All the locals are on one transponder, so they record the whole transponder stream and then parse the stream upon demand by the user.
Can't find one, darn it. SGuys has two recap threads for this chat, which was Aug 23rd, 2010. The big one here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-forum/225068-charlie-chat.html has numerous posts by yours truly, not about the "paycheck" gaff but the one where Charlie made up a receiver model number, the 923 and successor to the 922, which was supposedly going to have a fast enough chipset to handle GoogleTV integration.
I was ROFL when I heard that! Even my 612 can integrate these days.I was also joking about how long it would take the "923" to come out "after two name changes" in 2012, and lo and behold, I was right! XIP813 and now Hopper for those who aren't counting.
So, in summary, I was wrong in my post earlier in this thread. The reference to the 923 was not about 3D; it was about GoogleTV integration. By the way, can the Hopper integrate?
Oh, yes, the 2nd thread on the Aug 23rd CC was here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-forum/225084-charlie-chat-caps-bytes-plus-what.html This chat was a real "winner" from an entertainment perspective. Not only did Charlie invent an upcoming receiver for all the wrong reasons, he also accidentally told us to "send us your paychecks" which enables him to launch more satellites.
And also Jim DeFranco tried to tell us how low our Dish bills were, by claiming we could pay it with only 20 minutes of work! I miss those chats.
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I think this is the real reason. Dish could have come up with a fancier way of doing it like DIRECTV did, but instead this is just a drop in replacement for the current customers. Since they can put 3 tuners worth of satellite connection, OTA and MOCA on one cable using all their existing DPP switches, it was the easy way out. They will not have to run an additional coax to the Hopper, and if they Joeys replace other recievers like a 211 they can simply use the existing coax for the MOCA communications, it goes out to the dish already and could just hook up to the node. It should only take a few minutes to install a hopper/joey system for an existing customer.
Dish could have gone the DIRECTV route where the switch sends more numerous smaller satellite segments to cover 6 tuners. But, then they would have to upgrade everyones switches and install switches on dishes where the switch is already integrated.
"It should only take a few minutes to install a hopper/joey system for an existing customer."
Oh oh ... slow down cowboy
Oh oh ... slow down cowboy
A few minutes to install the Joey's if the house is already wired for Cable TV.
I would give you 30 min for the install 1xH 3xJ... waiting for video [unedited] evidence.
Wired house 17 years for cable tv. The cable tv was extremely horrible in the rural area where we live. Went to satelite and basically the cabling went to the wayside. Now with H/J I can use my coaxial main frame and patch the Joeys in wherever I need them. Thanks !
"It should only take a few minutes to install a hopper/joey system for an existing customer."
Oh oh ... slow down cowboy
If for example the customer has a 722 and 2 211ks, all they have to do is at the switch put in a node put the hopper where the 722 is and use the runs from the 211ks with a splitter to the node for the joeys. Replace the 722 with the hopper and the 211s with the joeys.
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