Why Dell? WHY?

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Apparently Dell has decided to abandon its established model lines, and have adapted a mobile phone model that at this point, just sounds like they’re aping Apple.
Dell PCs are Apple iPhones now
 
Apparently Dell has decided to abandon its established model lines, and have adapted a mobile phone model that at this point, just sounds like they’re aping Apple.
Dell is struggling with their commitment to Intel CPUs (as Intel struggled with reliability issues with 13th and 14th-generation chips). In combination with Microsoft's Windows 11 malfeasance, life hasn't been entirely sunny since Spring 2024 when the stock price topped out at $160 (it closed under $115 on Friday).
 
Dell schmell. I like them. I fix them. One thing that cheesed me at work. A server blade puked one day. Bad PSU.
Ended up snipping the mobo connector from the Dell psu, splicing it to a robust ATX supply. And it lived like that for eternity.
Did the same for at least two other desktop pc's. Proprietary form factors suck. And all of that Dell crap-ware they and others slap in. Sheesh! How many times has a customer come to me with "I got a new Dell. Can you wipe all of that Dell junk, please?". Including that space hog recovery partition they so uncannily hide in plain sight.

Windows? Don't get me started. I'm busy trying to get Entware working on a router. A <shudder> Linux router.
When's the last time a Windows person sat typing line after line and installing dependencies and adding scripts and this and that and this and that? Just to get a simple program running. And THEN. Where the heck is the program after the Advil is depleted? I rest my case, Your Honor.
-sh rxvx | grep --io -bing -bow -bing ./ THIS! lol
 
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Dell schmell. I like them. I fix them. One thing that cheesed me at work. A server blade puked one day. Bad PSU.
I had purchased a refurbished Dell Precision tower back in my Folding days. Didn’t realize that Dell had used a proprietary PS (non-ATX) connection when I had to replace the Power Supply after a couple of years. Fortunately, we had a couple of Precision towers at work that had been decommissioned, so I could replace it on the cheap.

HP is my PC of preference. The collection of DEC and Compaq engineers over the years have produced some great desktops. When I left, the desktops being deployed were the Elite 800 Desktops in the ESFF (I was more the server guy, so I’m not sure the exact designation). I remember that they were easy to get into to upgrade the storage and RAM.

I went through a Dell server phase with the 2600-series. Those were well-built and lasted forever. The 2800-series on the other hand, were cheap. They flexed and the diagnostic screen would lose pixels or just totally go out. I switched to the HP ProLiant D and M servers after that and never looked back.
 
The best PC is -no- PC.

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That's like saying that the best hunting dog is no hunting dog.

You should carefully define what a "PC" is. I would also present some decisively better alternatives before making such a statement.

I could easily accept an argument that there is no great off-the-shelf PC and possibly even mail-ordered custom PCs.

Back in the day (2017), one of my employer's departments decided that they knew better and would go out and buy a Dell server and workstations for CAD on their own (I had used CDW in the past to acquire HP and Lenovo hardware).

As it came from Dell, the server OS would need to be installed by myself because Dell didn't offer the configuration they wanted (Windows Server 2018 on a 1TB SSD with a 4TB HDD RAID as long-term storage). How does that come to pass?

The workstations came with mobile Quadro M4000 graphics adapters plugged into their secondary m.2 slots.

When Windows 11 appears 57 months later, the workstations don't qualify to install it.

The buyers didn't know what they were getting but were choosing almost entirely on the Dell name.

The server is still running but the workstations have all fallen by the wayside. I may try to install Linux on one of the workstations but I'd probably replace the m.2 display adapter with a more modern display card.
 
In one sense I don’t see it as a big to-do. If you can still get a 17.3” laptop with an i9 or Xeon, 64 Gb or more of ECC RAM, a few NVMe SSDs and a Quadro or Fire Pro GPU I really wouldn’t care what it’s called. if it’s called a Precision or Pro Max Premium makes no difference.

But on the other hand, I see this as the continuing of the dumbing down and bastardization of electronics and computers as a whole. Companies will continue to copy Apple in order to seem cool and this is no different. Who cares about Apple? A 13 year old girl is not going to want a Dell Pro Max because it has the words ‘Pro Max’ in it. She’ll want a laptop with a fruit on the back so she can look stylish and cool and ‘think different’ so she can be like everyone else.

Apple is nothing special they just tapped into the market of making people feel more important than they are because their overhyped, overpriced iCrap is seen as a status symbol. I’m not going to win any cool points for my Pixel phone or HP ZBook, nor do I care. I’m not a self-centered prick screaming look at me, look at me, see how cool I am.

As an HP guy, their nomenclature is very simple.
Pro = Standard Business, Elite = Premium Business, Z = Pro Workstation
For laptops, First Digit = Series, Second Digit = Screen Size, Third Digit = CPU. 0 for Intel, 5 for AMD
Followed by a G for generation and then the number of what generation it is.

You know exactly what you are getting or where to start when doing a CTO.

At work we recently got a pallet of Dell Optiplex 7010s. In looking up to see where you can find the settings I need to change prior to imagining in the BIOS I got nothing but information about the Optiplex 7010s from the 2012/2013 time frame. Kinda dumb they are reusing the same model number a decade later.
 
Had a Dell xps 8500 it was a POS. And customer service was even worse. I decided to amuse myself one day and bought a corsair prebuilt never again. My system had issues with certain programs that were known but nothing done windows would trim the hdd and not run a defrag. The csr was clueless. And they use a proprietary bios. Ide rather build my own than buy a prebuilt. I know what's going in it and what it can do. In some cases a prebuilt makes sense for some people something goes wrong it's one call to support and even that's hit or miss
 
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