Who is the best pitcher to NEVER win the Cy Young award?
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I am gonna say fellow country Javier Vazquez is one. In 2009 he had almost identical record as Lincecom, the Cy Young award winner that its almost sad. 15-10 to 15-7... 2.87 to 2.38 in ERA...238 to 261 Ks.
1991, my second favorite pitcher of all time, Jose Rijo, he went 15-6 with 5 less loses, a better ERA than Cy Young winner Tommy Glavine.
1974, Luis Tiant went 22-13 with a 2.92 ERA and lost to Catfish Hunter who went 25-12 with a 2.32 ERA...
Those are the ones I remember the most. I had to go back and do a search to remember the stats...
The irony in the three I mentioned was that they ALL came in 4th place...and all from the islands. A Puerto Rican, Dominican and a Cuban.
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1991, my second favorite pitcher of all time, Jose Rijo, he went 15-6 with 5 less loses, a better ERA than Cy Young winner Tommy Glavine.
1974, Luis Tiant went 22-13 with a 2.92 ERA and lost to Catfish Hunter who went 25-12 with a 2.32 ERA...
Those are the ones I remember the most. I had to go back and do a search to remember the stats...
The irony in the three I mentioned was that they ALL came in 4th place...and all from the islands. A Puerto Rican, Dominican and a Cuban.
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Reds pitchers in general don't get any respect. I think Cueto should have won 2 years ago. Danny Jackson should have won in 1988 over Orel, only reason he won was that long shutout streak, because all his other numbers weren't as good as Jackson's.
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Damn.... I FORGOT about the year Danny Jackson had... 23-8 with 15 CG and a 2.75 ERA.
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The question asked did include eligibility as a qualifier. Therefore, the only logical, and correct answer, is Cy Young, who is the best pitcher never to win a Cy Young Award.
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Repeating the same answer multiple times does not make it a good answer.The question asked did include eligibility as a qualifier. Therefore, the only logical, and correct answer, is Cy Young, who is the best pitcher never to win a Cy Young Award.
It's simply common sense to not to need to include eligibility as a qualifier in a question like this.
I put Ryan and Yastrzemski in the same category. They were both really good, but their longevity is what made them great. If they played a normal length career, they may not have made the HOF.
I know it's heresey for a former Bostonian to say this, but I don't consider Yastrzemski to have been a great player. He had two statistically exceptional years, 1967 and 1970, and a handful of pretty good ones, and was only an above average outfielder fielder. Back in those days, once a good offensive player won a Gold Glove, it became his in subsequent years until someone ripped it off his hand. Without satellite TV and VCRs, people who voted for Gold Gloves could go a whole season without ever seeing some outfielders handle even one tough chance. And keeping Yaz was a facgtor in deciding to deal to deal away Cecil Cooper, Juan Benequez and Ben Ogilvey.
Somewhat, although I think Ripken was a pioneer as a short stop. He was the first big man to play it as well as he did and be the offensive player that he was.
I'm not penalizing anyone. I'm just saying that some in the HOF didn't get there by being the best in their era since they spanned eras! Look at Yaz's stats. If he only played for 15 years, would you have voted him in?
There are a lot of players though that if they only played 15 years they wouldn't get in.
ambiguous no qualifiers...played 2 or more years etc
Who is the best pitcher to NEVER win the Cy Young award?
Sam McDowell 1965 1970
Luis Tiant 1968 and others
Mickey Lolich 1971
Tommy John once
Who is the best pitcher to NEVER win the Cy Young award?
Sam McDowell 1965 1970
Luis Tiant 1968 and others
Mickey Lolich 1971
Tommy John once
So, are you guy going by Numbers only, unfotunatly like most of the world does these days, or by what he did for the game as well ?
This goes for both threads.
Pete Rose didnt have a lot of the current numbers as they keep making new numbers up every year to support thier favorite player.
Pete Rose belongs in the Hall on his numbers alone, along with the energy he played with. Period.
I agree. I was just saying that under raoul's rules if Pete only played 15 years he may not get in either.....yeah I know he isn't eligible at all but hypothetically.
Who is Raoul?
Anyway, if Rose only played 15 years, on average he would have had almost 3000 hits. That would get him in the HOF. All I am saying is that some players greatness wasn't in dominating the sport for their career, but being able to play at a high level for a long time.
