Who is not interested in Prime Time Anytime?
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Sat & ota Tv is my main source of entertainment with a side of Netflix for streaming. I recently dropped Blockbuster because the movies that I really want to see are always pushed to the bottom of my queue . As for the 20 hd channels on DISH I only really watched Epix a little due to new movies on those channels. I might still add them ala carte if I feel like it. The streaming selection on the 722k is really horrible . Maybe some day they might make it more like Netflix so we can easily find what we are looking for. I don't go to clubs any more and I don't drink or smoke , so beside tv I do very little except work. Network tv has been in my life since I was born and ABC used to be the channel we stayed on from morning till night time. Now that they dropped the soaps that I've watched since junior high , we don't even watch ABC daytime much till the Evening news . I sure wish that DISH could add the prime time feature to existing Vip series of dvrs too, but I know that won't happen. Then you wouldn't pay to upgrade to the newest cutting edge stuff every few years.
70 is just an average. Some days when a lot is happening in the world and I have insomnia I can exceed 16.
We have flat screens in four rooms driven by an Accell 4X4 Matrix hdmi switcher with model 21 IR/UHF Pro remotes in every room with a TV (which is all but the bathrooms(which will get theirs during an up coming bathroom remodel blitz)).
I'm "retired" and spend weekdays in the market. I start the day at 6:00AM with Don Imus' 3hour 20 minute show on Fox Business News that gets recorded at 3:00 AM my time. At 6:30AM I switch to CNBC for the market open. If the one percenters are behaving themselves I pause CNBC and on tuner two resume Imus. By 1:00 PM when the markets close I usually have seen all the Imus I want and all the "live" CNBC coverage I need and not seen a single commercial. I don't know I lived before my first VIP522.
So does that count as 7 hours or 10 1/2 hours of TV watching? Or does it count at all as my face is usually buried in my Dell notebook as I'm trying not to loose my a**, except when I'm eating breakfast, washing dishes, straightening the house or dusting the floors.
OK, I exaggerated. I don't hit the floors more than a couple of times a month. But I MEAN to do it everyday.
easily done here in my house...and its just me
You guys brag about it like it's something specifically to be proud of.
But, whatever makes you happy! That's what counts! (Especially after you retire. Why work all those years, if you're not gonna end up happy?)
FWIW, we watch at most 30 hours per week. But, that includes DVD's and streaming.
not really but it depends on the day. I live in MN and its cold so what ya gonna do when its -11 out? Watch TV
But then again there are times where I'll be on the computer and just have the TV on in the background
So lets get all of this out of the way... (1)
How about we leave room for other peoples desires too, please? The ability to record any *one* transponder would be a good idea, and the programming intelligence, to give such options *should* have been something Dish could have done and rolled out at the beginning.
The intelligence would be ... "These other channels and shows are also available on this transponder, do you want to record all four?" ... additionally allowing users to manually adjust the time block.. what's wrong with allowing users to force the PTA into recording the evening news? or the Nightly News (11pm's) or extending it into 12:30/1:30 am to allow recording of the late night shows as well.
Sliding scale.. You have room for 8 days at 4 hours a night ... now you have 5 days of space available at 5 hours per night..etc
and (2)
As I mentioned above .. you decide to setup a recording of show X .. you check the options *while* you're setting up the timer.. the system looks and says "these other channels are *also* on that transponder, do you want to make a group/PTA recording to include them?" ... again the concept is there, we've thought of it, they should have too, and could have a hugely robust feature come out, rather than the most basic and bare of features when you realize ... its all in the thought and the definition/scope that is used for specifying what and how they wanted this thing done!
and (3) ... praises for them being here yes .. but then also about Dish's support failures.. perfect place to drop the "your engineers don't communicate to your customers for sh*t, and that gets your customers angry enough to leave you" .. and then as you're escorted away from Joe-joe, you could be yelling ... DIRTS ON YOU OLD MAN! O
Seriously.. I know you're in a difficult place being near higher ups like that.. I would hope that if you did have an opportunity you might have championed the lack of communication issues they still have.
To the rest of it.. and the core of the thread..I'm one of those that would not be able to live without the PTA, but at the same time would be absolutely frustrated to my core, that it wouldn't be, at the release date, setup to allow users to program PTA on and off as needed and with the time adjustments as above and as others have stated they'd want.
EG: Monday nights .. I've 3 shows on fox, one or two on NBC, 2 on ABC, and 2 on CBS.. but Wednesday, I've got ONE show on fox, and ONE show on CBS... I know this.. I've been programming for this for over 5 years with my DVR's ... so why can't *I* tell PTA .. turn on PTA for monday & wednesday, but dont' turn on for tuesday. Or to limit PTA to the time I need covered ... I don't need the 8pm hour every day, so why can't I easily change the PTA timer to not do so, not waste such space recording stuff that I'm not interested in? That alone would allow me to record those two days' worth of programming using for longer than 8 days retention simply because its not recording 7 days a week (aka 8 days at 4 hours a night, 16 days retention averaging from 2 hrs of time used a night rather than the 4)
In the end I'd agree that PTA is going to be plain stupidity on stick. I'm sure it will work as they intended, but that they will quickly find that Dish's idea of what we need, and what we really need it for aren't the same.
that's right .. "I don't care about the rest of the people I just want my part of it .. " .. That's basically what you've just said.
How about we leave room for other peoples desires too, please? The ability to record any *one* transponder would be a good idea, and the programming intelligence, to give such options *should* have been something Dish could have done and rolled out at the beginning.
The intelligence would be ... "These other channels and shows are also available on this transponder, do you want to record all four?" ... additionally allowing users to manually adjust the time block.. what's wrong with allowing users to force the PTA into recording the evening news? or the Nightly News (11pm's) or extending it into 12:30/1:30 am to allow recording of the late night shows as well.
Sliding scale.. You have room for 8 days at 4 hours a night ... now you have 5 days of space available at 5 hours per night..etc
and (2)
as has also already been pointed out .. the programming logic, and the intelligence are worked out beforehand.
As I mentioned above .. you decide to setup a recording of show X .. you check the options *while* you're setting up the timer.. the system looks and says "these other channels are *also* on that transponder, do you want to make a group/PTA recording to include them?" ... again the concept is there, we've thought of it, they should have too, and could have a hugely robust feature come out, rather than the most basic and bare of features when you realize ... its all in the thought and the definition/scope that is used for specifying what and how they wanted this thing done!
and (3)
You had the opportunity.. you should have rubbed his shoulders with some "DIRT"
... praises for them being here yes .. but then also about Dish's support failures.. perfect place to drop the "your engineers don't communicate to your customers for sh*t, and that gets your customers angry enough to leave you" .. and then as you're escorted away from Joe-joe, you could be yelling ... DIRTS ON YOU OLD MAN! OSeriously.. I know you're in a difficult place being near higher ups like that.. I would hope that if you did have an opportunity you might have championed the lack of communication issues they still have.
To the rest of it.. and the core of the thread..I'm one of those that would not be able to live without the PTA, but at the same time would be absolutely frustrated to my core, that it wouldn't be, at the release date, setup to allow users to program PTA on and off as needed and with the time adjustments as above and as others have stated they'd want.
EG: Monday nights .. I've 3 shows on fox, one or two on NBC, 2 on ABC, and 2 on CBS.. but Wednesday, I've got ONE show on fox, and ONE show on CBS... I know this.. I've been programming for this for over 5 years with my DVR's ... so why can't *I* tell PTA .. turn on PTA for monday & wednesday, but dont' turn on for tuesday. Or to limit PTA to the time I need covered ... I don't need the 8pm hour every day, so why can't I easily change the PTA timer to not do so, not waste such space recording stuff that I'm not interested in? That alone would allow me to record those two days' worth of programming using for longer than 8 days retention simply because its not recording 7 days a week (aka 8 days at 4 hours a night, 16 days retention averaging from 2 hrs of time used a night rather than the 4)
In the end I'd agree that PTA is going to be plain stupidity on stick. I'm sure it will work as they intended, but that they will quickly find that Dish's idea of what we need, and what we really need it for aren't the same.
Only if you can record direct to the EHD.
If you advertise a 2TB drive but only allow recording to 1TB, that's not going to sit well. It certainly made the ViP922 less exciting.
I seriously do not understand why people are complaing about the HDD space saved for Dish. Who cares? The space is saved for Dish so they can have it operate the way they designed it to. They market it as having a 2TB HDD because it does and that's what makes it a better running receiver. They are not saying you have 2TB of space to record on, even though that's what people are going to think. Would you perfer them to say it only has a 500GB HDD? Then people would think it's small and stay away from it.
I'm curious about how DirecTV markets their receivers. Do they talk about the HDD space at all? If they do, do they say the exact amount the customer gets to use or do they just say what the total HDD is? From a promotion view it's smart to put the bigger number out there for people to see. Marketing is always misleading.
I'm curious about how DirecTV markets their receivers. Do they talk about the HDD space at all? If they do, do they say the exact amount the customer gets to use or do they just say what the total HDD is? From a promotion view it's smart to put the bigger number out there for people to see. Marketing is always misleading.
A lot of people, apparently.
No. They market it as having 2TB because people will believe the 2TB is available to them, and thus help sell the device. They are lying. (Lying, exagerating, marketing...same thing.) They really need to include a disclaimer stating the actual amount of user-available space.
The bold I added demonstrate why, in your own words, people will be pissed.
As for me, I would prefer them marketing the device honestly. There are some companies that, although rare, still do that. If there are 500GB of usable space, then that is what they should put forth.
we do
you dont think we have satellite dishes bolted to the fish house?
Heck some guys use an old TV rotor to move the dish to the right azimuth (since elevation wont change on the lake)
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I still do not see it as a big deal. 500GB is still plenty of space and when I need more I just use my EHD. I already knew the Hopper has 500GB out of the 2TB by seeing the spec sheets and seeing Dish's press release. For the people who really care about this, like us, will look up that info on our own. Just seems to be a waste of time complaining about it.
I'm actually curious to see what people's responses on here would be if all Dish said was that the Hopper had a 500GB HDD. I think people would freak out at first and wonder why it was so small. Then after they looked into it a little further they would see that it actually has a 2TB but you only get to use a portion of it. Then they would come on here and have the same complaints about how you only get to use a small portion of it. I guess what I'm saying is that there would be that same type of complaining about the HDD regardless of how Dish advertised it.
I'm actually curious to see what people's responses on here would be if all Dish said was that the Hopper had a 500GB HDD. I think people would freak out at first and wonder why it was so small. Then after they looked into it a little further they would see that it actually has a 2TB but you only get to use a portion of it. Then they would come on here and have the same complaints about how you only get to use a small portion of it. I guess what I'm saying is that there would be that same type of complaining about the HDD regardless of how Dish advertised it.
Doubtful. There might be some. But, not as much. People tend to complain less about honesty in marketing, than dishonesty.
I'm not so sure of that ... if they advertized it as supporting 100 hrs in mpg4 HD, you'd get enough information to know how to deal with it ...
the issue comes down to having a fair knowledge of the drive space used, how much recording it can do, and yet dish still sticks with these horrible limits that make us have to manually move stuff around all the time.
Something dish could do, is allow us to setup some sort of backup tool that would automatically move recordings over.. "Keep local for 30 days, older than 31 moves to EHD".
isn't it enough for Dish to post the actual amount of storage hours in SD and HD?
For example on the final spec sheet, they list the 2TB information. They also list that the Hopper has over 250 hours of storage space in HD.
in the XIP813 spec sheet, it's even clearer:
Digital Video Recorder (DVR) capacity
— up to 1000 hours SD
— up to 250 hours HD
sparc said:
The average dvr user just wants to know how many hours can be recorded. IMHO it would be TMI to try to explain that 1.5 T of the 2 T is reserved for Dish.
Dish is marketing the drive size to impress the uninformed public.
Ross
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