jagouar said:
if voom folds and you bought a box you could be listed as a creditor but you would have to file a claim and i dont think Voom made any promises as to how long they would have stayed in business. although this is all speculative at this pointFreddyvsJasonvsAsh said:
The only problems i see with this theory is Voom has paid someone to show this content on their service, not deliver and sell to another provider. my guess is if voom folds, the providers of all the programs that voom has contracts to show would be voided or negotiated down by the court if it goes that route , as for the ability to transmit this programming from provider to voom to another provider you would have alot of the same issues we all have with directv and echostar , ie each time you send the signal you degrade the pq so we would all be back in the same boat albeit with more compressed hd.riffjim4069 said:I voted that CableVision will keep them. Why? If you haven't noticed...other than the broadcast networks, INHDs, HDNets and a few premium movie channels, there really isn't all that many HD channels comparatively speaking. Also, if you haven't noticed...Cable TV has taken the offensive by offering more than double the HD programming of D* and E* along with inexpensive HD DVR rentals. Also, if you haven't noticed...VOOM has a lot of its own HD content (VOOM's 21 Exclusives) as well as the possibility of starting WE-HD, IFC-HD and AMC-HD.
However you may feel about some of VOOM's less-than-stellar HD classics (i.e. Grass Growing HD), you cannot deny they have a handful of keepers like MonstersHD, RaveHD, RushHD, WorldSportHD, Animania, Gallery, Auction (yes, there is a market for the last two, even if they are only filler channels for an HD package). Cable is moving quickly toward HD and would love nothing more than to offer HD context well ahead of E* and D* who current don't have the capacity. They could offer something like this 7 channel package and net $4 per sub x 1 million subs = $48M per year. As D* and E* and Cable come up to speed, it's possible for VOOM to be pulling-in $100-$200 million per year in HD programming fees by selling some of their programming.
Better yet, why not license the HD package mentioned above and bundle it with WE, AMC, and IFC for an extra $1 a month. They now have a potential market of 75 million viewers. The Cable providers would be happy because they would be able to offer plenty of cheap HD programming well ahead of D* or E*, CableVision would be happy because they will now be raking in money and mass marketing their HD programming...all the while treating D* and E* to some Deliverance Style Ned Beatty treatment. :shocked
Selling a subset of their programming could surely be profitable and help subsidize VOOM while they develop and expand their base - just look at the money makers that are WE, AMC and IFC. As time goes by HD will be old-hat and mass market share will keep the VOOM HD channels alive and well...especially if they are strategically and affordable packaged as I mentioned above. If the VOOM Satellite service fails then so be it...however, VOOM is currently doing some very good things with their programming, it will only continue to improve, and they do have a track record of providing successful programming services.
Anyway, Wilt just drop-shipped two new receivers to a local installer. The installer will be out Friday morning to install my new receivers and reinstall my old one. I will be VA VA VOOMING soon. Sorry, but no DOOM & GLOOM in my home!
To just make a point only 25 thousand or so people were convinced up to this point to keep voom, way too low and the numbers that uninstalled make the cost per customer so prohibitive no one that owns cablevison stock could be happy. the only happy people were i would say and this is only a guess 75 percent of the subscribers and the dolan family , they thought they had a winner but in my experience i never imagined them truly making it as a stand alone provider. the market is saturated with providers and all are doing an ok job, wether they are doing it well or not can be debated but we all know Voom didnt handle this well from the beginning. Loads of HD what a concept, but it has to be delivered in a relable and cost effective fashion, as for selling programming which programming do they own ?? their exclusives are just channels not the programming itself. they dont own the rights to resell their programming that lies with the owner of the product. iw ish voom would have made a better effort to fix all of the issues but i cant say i am surprised at all of the controversy surrounding this company. who knows what will will happen but i hope the hd channels survive and in a better run environment they might have a chance.riffjim4069 said:I voted that CableVision will keep them. Why? If you haven't noticed...other than the broadcast networks, INHDs, HDNets and a few premium movie channels, there really isn't all that many HD channels comparatively speaking. Also, if you haven't noticed...Cable TV has taken the offensive by offering more than double the HD programming of D* and E* along with inexpensive HD DVR rentals. Also, if you haven't noticed...VOOM has a lot of its own HD content (VOOM's 21 Exclusives) as well as the possibility of starting WE-HD, IFC-HD and AMC-HD.
However you may feel about some of VOOM's less-than-stellar HD classics (i.e. Grass Growing HD), you cannot deny they have a handful of keepers like MonstersHD, RaveHD, RushHD, WorldSportHD, Animania, Gallery, Auction (yes, there is a market for the last two, even if they are only filler channels for an HD package). Cable is moving quickly toward HD and would love nothing more than to offer HD context well ahead of E* and D* who current don't have the capacity. They could offer something like this 7 channel package and net $4 per sub x 1 million subs = $48M per year. As D* and E* and Cable come up to speed, it's possible for VOOM to be pulling-in $100-$200 million per year in HD programming fees by selling some of their programming.
Better yet, why not license the HD package mentioned above and bundle it with WE, AMC, and IFC for an extra $1 a month. They now have a potential market of 75 million viewers. The Cable providers would be happy because they would be able to offer plenty of cheap HD programming well ahead of D* or E*, CableVision would be happy because they will now be raking in money and mass marketing their HD programming...all the while treating D* and E* to some Deliverance Style Ned Beatty treatment. :shocked
Selling a subset of their programming could surely be profitable and help subsidize VOOM while they develop and expand their base - just look at the money makers that are WE, AMC and IFC. As time goes by HD will be old-hat and mass market share will keep the VOOM HD channels alive and well...especially if they are strategically and affordable packaged as I mentioned above. If the VOOM Satellite service fails then so be it...however, VOOM is currently doing some very good things with their programming, it will only continue to improve, and they do have a track record of providing successful programming services.
Anyway, Wilt just drop-shipped two new receivers to a local installer. The installer will be out Friday morning to install my new receivers and reinstall my old one. I will be VA VA VOOMING soon. Sorry, but no DOOM & GLOOM in my home!
DarrellP said:
I am not talking about SD programming, I watch HD only. I raised a major stink with Dish about 3 months ago because HDNET & HDNET Movies was going downhill faster than a skier out of control and they responded immediately, even giving me 2 personal contacts: 1 is a VP for PQ and the other a compression engineer.MarcelV said:
DarrellP said:
I haven't heard any posts about Wilt getting involved in the PQ end of things. I think Voom's hands are tied until they get more transponders and bring the new encoders online, or at least that's what I want to believe. If they start playing the D*/E* game and start cramming more channels and not improving PQ, I will drop them like a hot potato. I could care less how many channels of HD they have, if some of the channels don't look good, what's the use?voomster2 said:
I really want them to fix EquatorHD, that is the type of programming I really like to watch but on my system, it is unbearable to watch this channel with the skeeter noise so rampant.
