I asked the question yesterday about getting my local stations up in northeren mi on my dish satelite. I live near lima OH and take my box up with me but I run out of my spot beam area for local cbs, nbc and what not stations. So I guess I come to the conclusion it might be simpler to put up a vhf antenna to pick up the locals. My location is between Luzerne MI and Rose city MI and I'm out in the Huron National forest, So I have lots of trees around me. I have cleared off a great portion of trees off my property. What would be the best antenna to use for this aplication, And do you think I'd have to go taller the 18ft? Thanks for any input. Todd