What size dish do I need for 91 nimiq 1 in deep south florida?

[HDTVFanAtic]

And as for transponders coming and going - you were witness to a) satellites being moved around between slots (and/or being added i.e. two old DirecTV birds) b) transponder assignments being moved between satellites and c) channels being moved between transponders to either balance loading or to make room for additional/revised channel lineups... confusing as @#$%^&*!

Nope...this happened well after all that was done as can be seen by the dates and times in this forum.

They have repositioned the satellite so it's footprint better serves Canada as 2 of the birds are old Directv birds that were built for another orbital slot and thus their footprints are different from where they should be at 82W and 91W.

 

[digiblur]

I have had 2 Invacoms Quad Porlar LNBs. I used them for 82W and 148W - 2 birds with problem signals in my area - both needing atleast a 1 meter dish for any reliability at all.

In both cases, the standard dish legacy lnbs that I had and took out of the plastic casing ran circles around the Invacom lnbs in terms of signal and performance on the problem birds.

I can't tell you why, I can only tell you the end results which was repeated again for someone in the Industry who didn't believe it several weeks ago. One was a lnb and one was a lnbf - both from different sources and appear to be built at different times.

I must have one of those special QPH031's... when I swapped to the QPH031 from a legacy D* LNB I increased signals by at least 10 points.

 

[Mr Tony]

I must have one of those special QPH031's... when I swapped to the QPH031 from a legacy D* LNB I increased signals by at least 10 points.

same here. My DIsh signal went up a few points

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

I should be so lucky.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

I realize you are interested in 91W in South Florida, but I had someone in the Orlando area message me their readings of 82W off a Dish 500 this afternoon and asked me for my readings from my Toroidal T-90 in the Tampa Bay area(36 inches compared to the 20 inch Dish 500).

The first number is the Transponder.
The second number is his Signal on the 100 point scale.
The third is the number on the 100 point scale.

82W

1 - 70 - 98
2 - 64 - 93
3 - 64 - 91
4 - 71 - 96
5 - 74 - 94
6 - 60 - 89
7 - 58 - 85
8 - 0 --- 0
9 - 77 - 94
10 -65 - 92
11 -58 - 86
12 -0 --- 0
13 -67 - 97
14 -64 - 93
15 -65 - 97
16 -65 - 95
17 -63 - 97
18 -63 - 90
19 -61 - 96
20 -62 - 92
21 -67 - 91
22 -62 - 91
23 -67 - 97
24 -0 ---0
25 -77 - 94
26 -60 - 91
27 -56 - 83
28 -57 - 91
28 -76 - 94
30 -58 - 91
31 -59 - 86
32 -56 - 91

Again, its been about 4 weeks at this level, so based on past experience, I would expect a change in levels at any time if they are consistent - especially as I have never seen signal levels from 82W like this in my life.

 

[angiodan]

So, now 8, 12 and 24 are missing. I will check mine tonight and see what I'm getting with my Dish 500, and may try my bigger single dish on 82 this weekend.

Maybe, I'll be lucky.

It would be nice to have TSN HD for hockey season again!

 

[angiodan]

Ok, much to my surprise, on my Dish 500 looking at both 82 and 91, I can now see ALL tp's on 91 here in South Florida! Strengths in the 80's and 90's with the following in the 50's (low but still lockable on green):
TP 3, 7, 9, 11, 17, 23 and 25

So Holysmoke, as of now, a Dish 500 pointed only at 91 should do for you in the Cape. Not to say it won't change, you still might be better off going for the
24".

As for 82, the one I really care about, I have high 50's to 60's on all, except for gooseggs on 5,7,8,9,11,12,24,27 and 31. Same as before except 8,12 and 24 are now gone, same as Fan 120 miles north of me.

When I get time, I'll finally try to put up that 36" oval dish I have laying around and lock on 82, and then tune the 500 to just look at 91.

 

[Holysmoke]

look forward to your results with the 36". I find it interesting that today you see all tps, and today they knocked out all fta hackers

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Ok, much to my surprise, on my Dish 500 looking at both 82 and 91, I can now see ALL tp's on 91 here in South Florida! Strengths in the 80's and 90's with the following in the 50's (low but still lockable on green):
TP 3, 7, 9, 11, 17, 23 and 25

So Holysmoke, as of now, a Dish 500 pointed only at 91 should do for you in the Cape. Not to say it won't change, you still might be better off going for the
24".

As for 82, the one I really care about, I have high 50's to 60's on all, except for gooseggs on 5,7,8,9,11,12,24,27 and 31. Same as before except 8,12 and 24 are now gone, same as Fan 120 miles north of me.

When I get time, I'll finally try to put up that 36" oval dish I have laying around and lock on 82, and then tune the 500 to just look at 91.

I swear I told you 2 months ago that 91W was booming.....and now 82W is as well.

Out of curiosity, could you post your 82W signal strengths with a Dish 500 and then we could see the drop off between Central Florida and SW Florida?

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

look forward to your results with the 36". I find it interesting that today you see all tps, and today they knocked out all fta hackers

That actually happened 2 months ago. I take it from reading various posts that something else happened several days ago, but as these sites don't allow hacker posts, I have no idea what it was

But again, 91W has not changed in 2 months + for me. 82W got stronger on 8-24 as can be seen on post #17 here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=73749

and you can see how LOW the readings were on 82W with the 1.2 Meter on 7-20 http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=71749 - Some readings that were in the 50s before are now in the 90s

and then this from mid June, lol http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=68640 It mentions 91W coming and going several weeks earlier as well.

Here's the mid-May shuffle http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=65353

and this was were I figured out there were still 2 birds still at 91W in March http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=60040

It's hardly been set it and forget it this year

 

[Mr Tony]

I wonder if it has to do with the snowbirds that soon will be going back to Florida?

 

[angiodan]

I wonder if it has to do with the snowbirds that soon will be going back to Florida?

I doubt it, but whatever the reason, I hope it stays this way.

Hello LeafsTV again!!!!!

Fan, I will post individual tp readings from both birds after setting up my bigger oval, hopefully this weekend. I didn't bother in my previous post, since most of the strengths were in a similar range.

I am really hoping I get at least a lockable signal in the 50's on the 82 tp's I'm missing.

Maybe I'll be able to change my sig soon.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

The one thing I have learned this year, many times from BEV and after the shaft from E* with HDNET, don't expect things to stay the same

In all honesty, as can be seen from my signals with the Toroidal, I didn't need the 1.2M I purchased earlier this year now. Of course, its found a good home on 148W but thats still a bear shooting through that much low atmosphere over the Gulf from here.

On the bright side, I don't need Weather Radar, because when there is a front 50 miles out in the Gulf moving this way, I know it as 148W goes away.

 

[angiodan]

Well, I finally found some time tonight to mess with my setup.

I first mounted my 36" oval dish and pointed to 82. Much to my surprise, my readings were lower than my Dish 500 twin setup. This oval dish is a channelmaster plastic dish, so I'm assuming that may be culprit.

I then took another Dish 500 I had laying around, mounted it, and aimed it at 82. My strengths were a few points better than with the twin, but nothing dramatic.

I then pointed my original Evu Dish 500 fine tuned to just 91. To my dismay, my low strength tp's are worse. It is funny that just a few days ago with one dish looking at both birds, I got them all. It doesn't make sense that a dedicated 20" dish should have lower readings on those tp's. There really wasn't an increase on the good tp's either. I don't know if it is weather related, time of day or what.

I will post my full readings tomorrow due to time constraints for me right now. They were definitely lower than the Orlando readings from the Dish 500 that you posted. It keeps my theory of footprint cutoff between Port Charlotte and Ellenton correct.

I'm going to keep my eyes open for a 1.2M Fan, so we can compare apples to apples on this coast.

 

[angiodan]

Ok, here are my readings done 6:30am on 9/29 using seperate Dish 500's pointed at 82 and 91. First number is tp, 2nd number is the readings I had last week with a single Dish 500 looking at both birds, and the third number is today.

82W------------------------------------------------- 91W

1-60-60---------17-58-57-------------------------1-90-96-----------17-53-0
2-57-55---------18-54-54 ------------------------2-88-94 --------- 18-87-91
3-64-65---------19-60-60-------------------------3-52-0 --------- 19-82-90
4-60-0 ----------20-56-52-------------------------4-92-97 --------- 20-80-87
5-0-35--------- 21-62-58-------------------------5-84-90 --------- 21-55-0
6-54-53 --------22-54-53-------------------------6-82-89 --------- 22-96-100
7-0-0 --------- 23-62-62-------------------------7-52-0 --------- 23-47-0
8-0-0 --------- 24-0-0 -------------------------8-90-95 ---------24-87-93
9-0-39 --------- 25-34-39-------------------------9-54-0 --------- 25-54-0
10-57-0 --------26-55-0 -------------------------10-96-100--------26-95-100
11-0-0 ---------27-0-0 -------------------------11-47-0 --------- 27-82-90
12-0-0 ---------28-25-50 ------------------------12-93-99--------- 28-80-86
13-59-59-------29-35-40 ------------------------13-86-93 ---------29-88-94
14-56-55-------30-54-0 -------------------------14-83-90---------30-84-90
15-64-63-------31-0-0 ------------------------- 15-84-92---------31-80-88
16-56-55-------32-52-49 ------------------------16-76-82---------32-81-89

On 91, other than losing the usual tp's that I had briefly last week, my strengths did go up 6 to 8 points. (I was mixed up in my previous post saying 82 went up)

On 82, strengths were down a little, but 4, 10 and 26 are now gone, but 5 and 9 got a unviewable lock. As I said, I don't know what to make of this. The birds must be in a wobbly orbit up there or something!

Here today, gone tommorow!!

 

[bluereef]

82 Strength

The signal strength on 82 is up and down? I have been watching this for a week or so as I decide weather or not to get a 30 inch dish for 82. Yesterday morning the strength were in the high 60's to low 80's for me. I have never been able to receive any signal on TP 8-12-24. Last night, all the signal strengths were down in the mid 50's to high 60's and within 2 hours they started to creap back up. The weather has been clear with no rain for the past 48 hours. This morning the strength were all stronger in the high 60's to low 80's. Now TP 4-8-10-12-24-26-30 have 0 strength, but yet these are the High Def channels that I receive:

800 CTV East HD
801 Global HD
802 CBC HD
803 City HD
806 CTV West HD
805 Demo
809 Treasure HD
810 Oasis HD
811 Rush
812 Equator HD
813 A&E HD
815 NBC East HD
816 ABC East HD
817 CBS East HD
819 PBS East HD
820 NBC West HD
821 ABC West HD
822 CBS West HD
823 Fox West
824 PBS West
825 WGN HD
829 VU HD
830 VU PPV
831 VU PPV
832 VU PPV
833 VU PPV
839 MPIX HD
840 MHD
849 Raptor HD
850 TSN
851 SN HD
852 SCR HD
853 Discovery HD
860 SRCE HD

Grant it that my highest strength is TP 9 @ 85% and my lowest is TP 32 @ 60% is not the greatest, thus the consideration on the larger dish. I run 2 seperate 20 inch dishes for 91 and 82. In my particular case, I was able to get a better signal when I skew the 82 dish for my area about +17 than to leave it at 0. It increased my strength about 3-5 %. Strange as it may sound it's true.

Questions I have:

Has anyone else noticed the shift in strength on 82?

What are on those TP that I am not getting??

Can anyone recemmond a 30 inch dish that will accept the current LNB without buying a new one?

 

[bluereef]

82

Left out the current readings on 82

TP Wed. Night Thurs Night Fri Morning

1 72 % 67% 71%
2 68% 56% 67%
3 70% 64% 72%
4 71% 0% 0%
5 77% 80% 83%
6 64% 52% 62%
7 59% 65% 63%
8 0% 0% 0%
9 85% 82% 85%
10 69% 0% 0%
11 59% 67% 65%
12 0% 0% 0%
13 69% 65% 68%
14 69% 58% 69%
15 68% 60% 68%
16 67% 61% 68%
17 64% 58% 64%
18 67% 56% 67%
19 66% 56% 64%
20 66% 60% 65%
21 69% 63% 68%
22 67% 57% 65%
23 71% 61% 70%
24 0% 0% 0%
25 81% 80% 85%
26 67% 0% 0%
27 56% 63% 61%
28 64% 53% 60%
29 78% 79% 88%
30 65% 0% 0%
31 60% 66% 64%
32 62% 53% 60%

I guess looking at now on paper it doesn't seem that bad! Sorry for the guys down South of me, hockey starts next week.....

 

[Holysmoke]

Well, I finally found some time tonight to mess with my setup.

I first mounted my 36" oval dish and pointed to 82. Much to my surprise, my readings were lower than my Dish 500 twin setup. This oval dish is a channelmaster plastic dish, so I'm assuming that may be culprit.

I then took another Dish 500 I had laying around, mounted it, and aimed it at 82. My strengths were a few points better than with the twin, but nothing dramatic.

I then pointed my original Evu Dish 500 fine tuned to just 91. To my dismay, my low strength tp's are worse. It is funny that just a few days ago with one dish looking at both birds, I got them all. It doesn't make sense that a dedicated 20" dish should have lower readings on those tp's. There really wasn't an increase on the good tp's either. I don't know if it is weather related, time of day or what.

I will post my full readings tomorrow due to time constraints for me right now. They were definitely lower than the Orlando readings from the Dish 500 that you posted. It keeps my theory of footprint cutoff between Port Charlotte and Ellenton correct.

I'm going to keep my eyes open for a 1.2M Fan, so we can compare apples to apples on this coast.

very dissapointing indeed. would love to know if 1 meter dish gets all tps in

 

[dishpooch]

Earlier in the week I had 91W TP's 3,7,9,11,17,21,23,25 well into the 60's, using a 24" dish in central AZ. Now TP9 is 43%, TP21 is 48%, and the rest are 0. Did they switch those to Nimiq 4i? I thought that was done months ago. Do I need a 1m now?

Ok, here are my readings done 6:30am on 9/29 using seperate Dish 500's pointed at 82 and 91. First number is tp, 2nd number is the readings I had last week with a single Dish 500 looking at both birds, and the third number is today.

82W------------------------------------------------- 91W

1-60-60---------17-58-57-------------------------1-90-96-----------17-53-0
2-57-55---------18-54-54 ------------------------2-88-94 --------- 18-87-91
3-64-65---------19-60-60-------------------------3-52-0 --------- 19-82-90
4-60-0 ----------20-56-52-------------------------4-92-97 --------- 20-80-87
5-0-35--------- 21-62-58-------------------------5-84-90 --------- 21-55-0
6-54-53 --------22-54-53-------------------------6-82-89 --------- 22-96-100
7-0-0 --------- 23-62-62-------------------------7-52-0 --------- 23-47-0
8-0-0 --------- 24-0-0 -------------------------8-90-95 ---------24-87-93
9-0-39 --------- 25-34-39-------------------------9-54-0 --------- 25-54-0
10-57-0 --------26-55-0 -------------------------10-96-100--------26-95-100
11-0-0 ---------27-0-0 -------------------------11-47-0 --------- 27-82-90
12-0-0 ---------28-25-50 ------------------------12-93-99--------- 28-80-86
13-59-59-------29-35-40 ------------------------13-86-93 ---------29-88-94
14-56-55-------30-54-0 -------------------------14-83-90---------30-84-90
15-64-63-------31-0-0 ------------------------- 15-84-92---------31-80-88
16-56-55-------32-52-49 ------------------------16-76-82---------32-81-89

On 91, other than losing the usual tp's that I had briefly last week, my strengths did go up 6 to 8 points. (I was mixed up in my previous post saying 82 went up)

On 82, strengths were down a little, but 4, 10 and 26 are now gone, but 5 and 9 got a unviewable lock. As I said, I don't know what to make of this. The birds must be in a wobbly orbit up there or something!

Here today, gone tommorow!!

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

I've got an unused 1.8M 1 Piece offset dish sitting in the garage that is slotted for something in the future. It needs a 3" pipe. Under the right conditions I would allow you to try it out and see what you get 100 miles south - but it would be a real pain to pick up, install and return etc. I do not have a proper lnb on it at this time, though I am sure something could be strung together.

But simply stated, you would need a large pickup as it is a 6ft 1 piece dish.

If at sometime you want to try it, let me know.

I did find an Broadcast Engineer with a a 4.25 meter C band dish in Ft. Myers (which is clearly overkill) and a small elliptical ku band put in by skyview, so I think that is too small. I was hoping they would have a 1.2M to 1.8M on premise that I could get him to test, but no such luck.

I'll ask the stations in Miami if they have anything there to test with, if you are interested. The problem is, of course, most will have a 3.5M+ Dish which is obvious overkill. If they have a smaller Ku Band, it most likely will be something like the Skyview dish or Directpc which some put in for internet backup after Wilma.

And as noted - if you get it today, does that mean it will be there tomorrow?