What should Vick do to get back in the NFL...?

[salsadancer7]

i think once he pays his debt he should be allowed back in the nfl. not this season though. would i want him on my team? nope. where ever he goes the amount of negative attention he'll bring to that team will be huge. do i think someone will give him chance? yes, but probably not as a starting qb. he has a rocket for an arm and he's extremely athletic but was never that great at the qb position.tends to run more than he should.his mentality leans more to one of a running back which is a shame because i wish chad had vicks arm. he did go to a few pro bowls but so did favre last year when he didn't deserve to go .

am i ok with what he did? no, i think it says a lot about what type of person he is but as it was already posted there are others in the nfl that have also conducted themselves in a very inappropriate manner but have been allowed to return to the NFL. to say he shouldn't would be hypocritical. if you don't allow him to return then there are others that also need to go.

again i'm not saying what he did was ok. to say he made a mistake would also be inaccurate! an act that is performed more than once and in his case repeatedly does not qualify as a mistake. even if he wasn't directly involved in this crime, he allowed it to happen on his property and probably was well aware of it. < my opinion

if i saw vick on the street i wouldn't stare at him,much less shake his hand.do i want anything else from the guy? no. he has paid his debt to society and has a right to continue his life. i believe that people can change. i've personally seen worse change their lives for the better. if he's truly sorry about what he was involved in and it's never repeated, that itself should be recognized and the past forgotten. after all, if it was any of us and we were truly remorseful about a mistake or an intentional act we would also want to be forgiven

We are all jumping the gun here.... We all know full well that unless he shows WITH ACTIONS, that he is sorry, regretful and looking to improve his image....he will not be allowed in the league. I personally do not think he will be playing this year because you would think it takes more than a few months to make amends with the league, fans and PETA/Humain Society type folks.

But since I brought up Donte Stallworth...if he did what he did at 22...and had s few very good years in the league like Vick has....would the negativity be just as bad...?!

 

[salsadancer7]

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[Rey]

We are all jumping the gun here.... We all know full well that unless he shows WITH ACTIONS, that he is sorry, regretful and looking to improve his image....he will not be allowed in the league. I personally do not think he will be playing this year because you would think it takes more than a few months to make amends with the league, fans and PETA/Humain Society type folks.

But since I brought up Donte Stallworth...if he did what he did at 22...and had s few very good years in the league like Vick has....would the negativity be just as bad...?!

i agree. that's why i also mentioned earlier i don't see him allowed back in the NFL this season but there is a chance he will be allowed on 2010.

 

[SandraC]

Cool.....that good for you.....so IF Chauncey went to a team you hated....would you root for him then?

Actually, now that I think of it, there are no NBA teams I hate. Or even dislike, really. Chauncey can go anywhere he likes.

Except for our local NHL rival I don't think there are any teams in sports I hate. They're a very special case because of the 'incident'.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

Actually, now that I think of it, there are no NBA teams I hate. Or even dislike, really. Chauncey can go anywhere he likes.

Except for our local NHL rival I don't think there are any teams in sports I hate. They're a very special case because of the 'incident'.


Sandra

Fair enough....I don't believe that a New York fan does NOT dislike a team...but there COULD BE an exception to the rule....

...could be...

 

[Peter Parker]

I did not put ridiculous words in your mouth....I answered YOUR post with questions?

Where in my post did I say, "I heard you say this....." or "you once posted that...."

THAT is putting words into your mouth....I just answered with questions....

You still don't get what's wrong with the tactic---or don't want to. It is completely ridiculous to assume that because someone has no problem with violence to humans because they have a problem with dog fighting. It is pretty clearly an attempt to discredit you disagree with by making assumptions about what they believe----that are unsupported by their post.

If you had some reason to believe I meant that it would make sense. But in this circumstance there is no such reason---and someone else pointed out that you use this tactic often.


BTW Vick still has a a period of home confinement to serve and goodell has indicated that he will not have a meeting with Vick until after the entire sentence is discharged. So 2009 would really be impossible and even 2010 might be pushing it----does anyone know how long the home confinemetn and other provisions of the sentence last?

 

[HD MM]

But since I brought up Donte Stallworth...if he did what he did at 22...and had s few very good years in the league like Vick has....would the negativity be just as bad...?!

No. First off, I'm not condoning either action as both are despicable, but Vick's case is a unique one as I've explained.

Vick killed, maimed and tortured household pets for pleasure on his own free-will.

A drunk-driving casualty is an accident although one can argue that if the person had booze in the body in the first place they need to be aware the accident is possible. Two completely different circumstances. I still don't know what your getting at by comparing the two though.

Like I said though. Vick did his time and should be allowed back into the league. Just don't ask me to root for the guy or Stallworth for that matter.

 

[salsadancer7]

You still don't get what's wrong with the tactic---or don't want to. It is completely ridiculous to assume that because someone has no problem with violence to humans because they have a problem with dog fighting. It is pretty clearly an attempt to discredit you disagree with by making assumptions about what they believe----that are unsupported by their post.

If you had some reason to believe I meant that it would make sense. But in this circumstance there is no such reason---and someone else pointed out that you use this tactic often.


BTW Vick still has a a period of home confinement to serve and goodell has indicated that he will not have a meeting with Vick until after the entire sentence is discharged. So 2009 would really be impossible and even 2010 might be pushing it----does anyone know how long the home confinemetn and other provisions of the sentence last?

OHHH...ok, a tatic. By your INITAL response, YOU was to assume, what Vick has done is no where near what others have done in the NFL. Therefore I was just ANSWERING your post with more questions to get a feeling where the other infractions...which I did not know at the time...where acceptable to you or not.

My MO....LMAO....too funny....:haha:haha:haha

 

[Skyhi]

But since I brought up Donte Stallworth...if he did what he did at 22...and had s few very good years in the league like Vick has....would the negativity be just as bad...?!

They both did horrible things, but you can't compare them. Vick's crime was of the willful variety while Stallworth's was reckless. Big difference.

 

[SandraC]

Fair enough....I don't believe that a New York fan does NOT dislike a team...but there COULD BE an exception to the rule....

...could be...

I haven't been a big fan of teams that used to beat the Knicks repeatedly, especially when I though the Knicks had a chance to win something, and when I was young and impressionable. Bird and McHale's Celtics, Jordan's Bulls, etc. But now that those teams have turned over, I personally have no animosity whatsoever toward Ben Gordon, Derrick Rose, Ray Allen, or Kevin Garnett.

With the shambles Isaiah brought the team to and left it in, it's become pretty hard to muster up dislike for every single team that keeps beating the Knicks. Right now, our disdain goes more toward Isaiah, Dolan, Steve Mills, Larry Brown, and everyone else who allowed this franchise to become a mockery.

Hopefully someday Donnie Walsh can give us a reason to dislike another team again.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

No. First off, I'm not condoning either action as both are despicable, but Vick's case is a unique one as I've explained.

Vick killed, maimed and tortured household pets for pleasure on his own free-will.

A drunk-driving casualty is an accident although one can argue that if the person had booze in the body in the first place they need to be aware the accident is possible. Two completely different circumstances. I still don't know what your getting at by comparing the two though.

Like I said though. Vick did his time and should be allowed back into the league. Just don't ask me to root for the guy or Stallworth for that matter.

NOT an accident....IF YOU are driving drunk...you are almost ASSURING someone getting killed or at least hurt. Driving your car sober and a small child jumping out of two parked cars chasing a ball is an accident. Walking and stepping on a sharp object is an accident.

I bring up Stallworth because there was as much sympathy for HIM as there was for the man he killed DRUNK.

I think they are equally terrible....but I am wondering if people have more sympathy/willing to forgive someone who kills animals or humans?

 

[salsadancer7]

They both did horrible things, but you can't compare them. Vick's crime was of the willful variety while Stallworth's was reckless. Big difference.

I think the line between the two is very thin. ONE had the intention to mistreat and kill these dogs. The OTHER knows FULL WELL that NOT ONLY driving drunk has a VERY high chance of hurting/killing yourself...but OTHERS as well. So te me, that is TOTAL disregard to life just as bad as killing animals.

 

[Skyhi]

NOT an accident....IF YOU are driving drunk...you are almost ASSURING someone getting killed or at least hurt. Driving your car sober and a small child jumping out of two parked cars chasing a ball is an accident. Walking and stepping on a sharp object is an accident.

I bring up Stallworth because there was as much sympathy for HIM as there was for the man he killed DRUNK.

I think they are equally terrible....but I am wondering if people have more sympathy/willing to forgive someone who kills animals or humans?

I'd be willing to bet that most of us on this thread have driven at least once after having too much to drink. I think you're going WAY too far by saying "you are almost assuring someone getting killed or at least hurt."

 

[salsadancer7]

I haven't been a big fan of teams that used to beat the Knicks repeatedly, especially when I though the Knicks had a chance to win something, and when I was young and impressionable. Bird and McHale's Celtics, Jordan's Bulls, etc. But now that those teams have turned over, I personally have no animosity whatsoever toward Ben Gordon, Derrick Rose, Ray Allen, or Kevin Garnett.

With the shambles Isaiah brought the team to and left it in, it's become pretty hard to muster up dislike for every single team that keeps beating the Knicks. Right now, our disdain goes more toward Isaiah, Dolan, Steve Mills, Larry Brown, and everyone else who allowed this franchise to become a mockery.

Hopefully someday Donnie Walsh can give us a reason to dislike another team again.


Sandra

fair enough:up

 

[HD MM]

NOT an accident....IF YOU are driving drunk...you are almost ASSURING someone getting killed or at least hurt. Driving your car sober and a small child jumping out of two parked cars chasing a ball is an accident. Walking and stepping on a sharp object is an accident.

I bring up Stallworth because there was as much sympathy for HIM as there was for the man he killed DRUNK.

I think they are equally terrible....but I am wondering if people have more sympathy/willing to forgive someone who kills animals or humans?

Well, the difference is this...

I sympathize with both Stallworth and his victim because Stallworth will have to live with the fact he killed someone "unintentionally". It will be on his conscious for the rest of his life and that's got to be hard to live with. He'll be replaying that night over ad over in his mind and playing the "what-if" game the rest of his life. I sympathize with the victims family because they lost a life. Always a sad thing.

Vick on the other hand had a calculated operation. This wasn't a one night affair. This happened again and again and again until he was caught. Like I said, although at face value the direct result of the two people (Stallworth vs. Vick) is very much different (human vs. dog), the intent and sick motive of Vick is what makes some people a little less quick to forgive.

 

[Derwin0]

I'd be willing to bet that most of us on this thread have driven at least once after having too much to drink. I think you're going WAY too far by saying "you are almost assuring someone getting killed or at least hurt."

I haven't.

But if I ever did drink & drive and hit someone. Then rightfully there is no excuse and the book should be thrown at me.

 

[salsadancer7]

I'd be willing to bet that most of us on this thread have driven at least once after having too much to drink. I think you're going WAY too far by saying "you are almost assuring someone getting killed or at least hurt."

Buzzed ....yes...I would agree with the comment. But being almost twice the legal limit....Stallworth's blood-alcohol level after the crash was .146, well above Florida's legal limit of .08. THAT is way beyond BUZZED. And for a guy that is bigger than the average human, 6-1...a few over 200lbs....that is alot of booze.

I do not think that is way too far...

 

[Skyhi]

But if I ever did drink & drive and hit someone. Then rightfully there is no excuse and the book should be thrown at me.

No doubt about it. You will (and should) be punished for acting recklessly. You will not, however, be punished for willfully killing/hurting your victim.

 

[HD MM]

Buzzed ....yes...I would agree with the comment. But being almost twice the legal limit....Stallworth's blood-alcohol level after the crash was .146, well above Florida's legal limit of .08. THAT is way beyond BUZZED. And for a guy that is bigger than the average human, 6-1...a few over 200lbs....that is alot of booze.

I do not think that is way too far...

Irresponsible? Yes. Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts Stallworth set out to kill someone that night though?

 

[Derwin0]

No doubt about it. You will (and should) be punished for acting recklessly. You will not, however, be punished for willfully killing/hurting your victim.

I would get vehicular homicide, which is what Stallworth was charged with.

Besides, 0.12 isn't that incapacitating, it's just barely over the limit in several states. And has been pointed out, he flashed the lights at the pedestrian to get him out of the way, so it's not like the guy jumped out in front of him.

Either way, once both men do their time, they should be allowed back in the NFL, as neither crime had anything to do with Football.