Voomers be Careful...Dish MAY COST MORE in the Long Run

[kirkdj]

I was amazed that after all the promotion dust clears in 6 mos. that my Dish bill will be more than I was paying for VOOM! I have the Everything Pack with locals, an 811 box and a 522 DVR. This is even without the VOOM HD channels their getting.....I'm beginning to think Dish is crazy! Makes me even more glad I got it with NO commitment
From Dish:
"Thank you for your email. Our records indicate that your monthly rate is $101.98 before state taxes. We are unable to provide your monthly rate with taxes included. You may view your billing statement at www.dish.network.com . "

I was paying $96 total .....$102 + taxes for this ........I'm really appreciating what VOOM had.....which most important was the superior HD pic and content!

I'm going to have to downgrade in 6 mos.....just the idea of paying more for this really sucks!

 

[Minsk1]

I can't agree with you.
1. Everything pack + local + Voom for two receivers will actually cost less that ($102) than Voom bill ($109).
2. It will include more SD chanells (not that I care about, but anyway, more).
3. It includes DVR. Nobody knows how much Voom wanted more for DVR. But I guess, they wanted more.
4. Voom had more HD chanells. But it will eventually change and I hope very soon with MPEG4 conversion.

So I am very satisfied at the moment.
BTW, SD PQ on Dish is better with 942. 811 PQ is the same. Dish HD is better on both receivers. Again, this is just my opinion.

 

[JohnL]

I was amazed that after all the promotion dust clears in 6 mos. that my Dish bill will be more than I was paying for VOOM! I have the Everything Pack with locals, an 811 box and a 522 DVR. This is even without the VOOM HD channels their getting.....I'm beginning to think Dish is crazy! Makes me even more glad I got it with NO commitment
From Dish:
"Thank you for your email. Our records indicate that your monthly rate is $101.98 before state taxes. We are unable to provide your monthly rate with taxes included. You may view your billing statement at www.dish.network.com . "

I was paying $96 total .....$102 + taxes for this ........I'm really appreciating what VOOM had.....which most important was the superior HD pic and content!

I'm going to have to downgrade in 6 mos.....just the idea of paying more for this really sucks!

Kirk,

Okay, but with Voom you only could have 1 satellite BOX with one Tuner, with your current setup you could have 3 TV's with Satellite TV all viewing independent channels. Second Dish has a complete set of SD channels where Voom Didn't, Voom also didn't provide you with your locals via satellite. Lastly I know Voom didn't have DVR's either, so you are comparing Apples to Oranges, bottomline Dish steped up to the plate to even offer any Voom Originals.

Voom was bleeding money, at a horrendous pace so why should Dish drop into the same destructive path as Voom.

Your complaint seems hollow as you are now getting much more SD content on three TV's including locals with a DVR (all services that Voom couldn't offer) and you can get 10 Voom channels for another $5.00, doesn't sound outrageous to me. Dish understands that HD is a niche product and as such markets it as an add on service that should and does cost extra in addition to standard SD programing that is the bread and butter of the industry.

If Voom as a mostly HD service with NO local service and a subset of SD was what consumers wanted them Voom would have attracted more than 40,000 subs is 18 months. 40,000 subs in 18 months that is less than 74 net additions per day across the US, at that rate Voom was doomed to its fate. Unfortunately Voom was a service starved for bandwidth with not enough services or prospective HD subs to keep it afloat.

Voom simply to early to the market with an incomplete offering. Subs want a one stop shop, complete HD, SD and Locals in one package.

John

 

[Mr Tony]

very well put John!

 

[dtanderson]

Kirk,
Subs want a one stop shop, complete HD, SD and Locals in one package.
John

Locals is one of the reasons that I did not go with Voom. If they would have offered locals then I probably would have signed up with them.

 

[socalpanman]

Locals is one of the reasons that I did not go with Voom. If they would have offered locals then I probably would have signed up with them.

Local fixation is why I left the others.

VaVaVoom with 2 boxes (no add receiver fee in the end) 79.90 plus tax. About $100 when I would add Playboy. All the best "cable favorites" with of course the most HD. I get more HD and dtv versions of my locals with the OTA than I can ever expect from any pay provider.

At most I think Voom should have built on the Olympics experience and added all Network feeds. Dish will cost much more and porn will be extra and no HD!

Life sucks but some good will come again.

 

[Zookster]

A more accurate way to price the two services may be to compare your Voom bill to the following E* services: AT60 with no locals ($27) + one 811 ($5) + HD pack ($10) + Voom pack ($5) + HBO/Showtime (the only ones w/HD) ($26) = $73 (not including any special promotions at the time)

 

[socalpanman]

A more accurate way to price the two services may be to compare your Voom bill to the following E* services: AT60 with no locals ($27) + one 811 ($5) + HD pack ($10) + Voom pack ($5) + HBO/Showtime (the only ones w/HD) ($26) = $73 (not including any special promotions at the time)

No because the Voom SD channels came mostly from A120-180 list. They also numbered more than 60 anyway. Plus all the premium channels on Voom included both east and west. HD or not they were all, SHO, HBO, Strz, TMC, CMX, ENC, IFC, included in VaVaVoom. And Voom service included mpeg 4 ready boxes with no worry of a change out in the near future.

In my neighborhood it still comes out to about $100 transfer/set-up/second antenna fee, and about $100 plus monthly for Everything pack, HD&VoomHD pack.

 

[DarrellP]

I don't watch SD and I was paying Voom $64/month for 2 stb's and 148 SD channels that were not watched, I am now paying Dish $5 for 10 HD channels that I watch all the time, I would call that a MUCH better deal.

 

[kirkdj]

Ota

Maybe others look at it differently than I do. I guess I'm talking quality not quanity here. The channels and OTA locals that Voom offered were better visually to watch than the same with Dish.....and the same premier channels are costing me more in the long run with Dish....and I had much more HD with Voom. I got the local channels from Dish only because the 522 DRV doesn't recognize digital ota channels, therefore to be able to record locals and see them on 2nd tv I had to get them......but I DO NOT watch them on my HD tv, I watch the OTA local channels so I can receive HD when broadcast. I didn't get the hd dvr which does recognize local ota channels, because of the upfront cost and it wasn't available for lease.....again I have no monthly commitment and leased equipment because I wasn't sure about staying with Dish.

 

[larrystotler]

And Voom service included mpeg 4 ready boxes with no worry of a change out in the near future.

No worry other than the fact that they basically went out of business as a DBS provider. As for the locals, DHA customers HAVE to take the locals. You CANNOT drop them from your bill. And, OTA in my area is very hit or miss, and the antenna V* provided was a joke. They wasted more money on those cheap antennas than they needed to. Most V* subs had either cable or sat as well anyway.

 

[mperdue]

I must be missing something. DISH costs more than VOOM in the short term too since VOOM stopped delivering a signal to its customers. Zero channels for zero dollars versus whatever you pay DISH for your package. DISH costs more, but they're still in business.

Mario

 

[bbtkd]

I was amazed that after all the promotion dust clears in 6 mos. that my Dish bill will be more than I was paying for VOOM! I have the Everything Pack with locals, an 811 box and a 522 DVR. This is even without the VOOM HD channels their getting.....I'm beginning to think Dish is crazy! Makes me even more glad I got it with NO commitment
From Dish:
"Thank you for your email. Our records indicate that your monthly rate is $101.98 before state taxes. We are unable to provide your monthly rate with taxes included. You may view your billing statement at www.dish.network.com . "

I was paying $96 total .....$102 + taxes for this ........I'm really appreciating what VOOM had.....which most important was the superior HD pic and content!

I'm going to have to downgrade in 6 mos.....just the idea of paying more for this really sucks!

I would have to disagree. I went from one room of Voom to five rooms of Dish, got a lot more channels, got a more reliable picture (Voom cut out so much we all got used to it), and got additional features such as Sirius and PPV. My bill went up only about $15 - but I was adding 4 rooms - allowing me to finally dump a $20 cable bill. Yup - less HD with Dish but by early next year that will no longer be true. I believe what killed Voom is that they hit the market about 18 months too early - if they were coming to market now they would have ridden the HD wave. Another thing that killed them - even though they tried to remedy it in the end - was the cost cover multiple rooms, and a low limit on the number of rooms.

 

[justalunker]

Yes, they are certainly overpriced and their Customer Services and Tech Support are outsourced overseas. You would be better off going back to cable where you can lease a working HD DVR---or many HD DVRs---for a very low rental fee. You certainly have to fork over $250 for a soon to be antiquated receiver.

 

[larrystotler]

Maybe cable in your area. In my area Cable sucks. At least with D* and E*, you are dealing with a known item. Cable is very hit or miss, so you can't just say something like that.

 

[Bruce]

Maybe others look at it differently than I do. I guess I'm talking quality not quanity here. The channels and OTA locals that Voom offered were better visually to watch than the same with Dish

I could not let this slide, Voom did not offer OTA locals, that is why they are called Over The Air , they are the same thru Voom and/or D*, E* or a OTA STB, same picture, same everything.

 

[larrystotler]

Maybe one of the mods should edit the title of the thread to say "May cost more".

 

[BobMurdoch]

Once again, Voom failed as a distributor, but may find a second life as a programmer. I'll pay to get 21 original HD channels.... just don't make me give up access to the rest of my channels or my HD PVR for the privilege..........

I've signed up for the first 10, and am eagerly awaiting being able to get the next 11. I hope they will sell those for only an extra $5 as well ($15 for 26 HD channels is more than fair to me). The rest of you should be flocking to this plan to show support. Let's convince them to keep 61.5 bandwidth for HD offerings. 110 and 119 are full, and many of us only have to upgrade our subscriptions to get to these extra channels. Moving the HD channels to one of the higher altitude birds will cause massive equipment upgrades (which none of us seem willing to pay for) so 61.5 is a great alternative ESPECIALLY when Rainbow 1 comes online.....

 

[vurbano]

I could not let this slide, Voom did not offer OTA locals, that is why they are called Over The Air , they are the same thru Voom and/or D*, E* or a OTA STB, same picture, same everything.

Get your facts straight. D* offers OTA locals. get a life sparky

 

[Bruce]

Get your facts straight. D* offers OTA locals. get a life sparky

No, get your facts straight, he said "The channels and OTA locals that Voom offered" which did mean the OTA locals were HD because if I remember right, the Voom STB did not pass the SD version of locals which is what D* offers, and what does that have to do with OTA anyways?