[VOOM] VOOM post to my big dish group

[bgrodie]

I have had a BUD ( Big Ugly Dish) for the last 22 years. I just
posted this to someone considering getting Dishnet for HD. How
unresearched must that decision be?
DISH has virtually no HD programming compared to VOOM. I think they
charge $10 extra for the few HD channels they offer. So the very
basic DISHnet HD package is going to be $40/month. The PQ is
definitely inferior to Dish on SD and way inferior on HD. You will
get more channels with better quality with VOOM and you don't need to
buy anything, just lease so in case they go under you aren't stuck.
VOOM's basivc package is now $50 plus only $5/ month for a receiver
rental. 6 months obligation. I would consider VOOM basic to be at
least equivalent to the DISH 100 package which with HD would be $50
too. I don't know what DISH charges for the receiver but I think
it's free with a 1 year obligation. VOOM will install an OTA antenna
and do their best to get you good local HD digital reception. The
dISHnet locals are in bad PQ SD and far inferior to a potential
local OTA HD picture. Your choice but check it all out.
I really like VOOM, I am not affiliated business wise with VOOM in
any way, but I am a moderator on the VOOM forum. I just would like
to see them survive because they really are trying to be the
videophile's answer with a high quality PQ and lots of HD material.
They will at some point have a whole house/DVR solution too.
By the way, the BUD group calls the little dishes used for VOOM, DTV,
and DISH pizza dishes due to the pizza size.
Why would anyone consider dISH if their intent is to get HD? The
main reason would be the DVR, I guess.






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[jnardone]

The reason someone would choose Dish over VOOM

Yes, the reason someone would choose DISH over VOOM is the DVR. The reason VOOM is not attracting enough subscribers is the DVR. It doesn't matter how many channels you have if you can only watch one at a time.

 

[Bob Mankin]

Stan,

I wouldn't call that the perfect solution.

1) It's not an integrated solution and therefore will have limited appeal.
Not saying it doesn't work for you and some others, but a recording/archive
solution needs to be simple for the mass appeal.

2) What's the rate of degradation of those tapes? Physical space to store
them?

The simple fact is a "whole house" solution is where the industry is headed.
An hard-drive based integrated DVR, digital photos, MP3s, etc. networked to
all rooms of the home for easy and convenient access. That's the "killer
app", so to speak.

Today's news has SBC teaming with 2Wire to offer just such a solution in
response to Comcast who I would give the current edge in a HD/DVR/VOD
solution. The Baby Bells and DBS providers have their work cut out for them
to counter because the cable reach is so far and wide.

I would love to see Voom make this networked solution happen. Cable is
steaming ahead and is a very formidable competitor. I don't see how Voom
being disadvantaged by 1)being a startup 2)having limited reach and
3)presenting an unfocused marketing approach will manage to carve a niche
against the likes of Comcast. Voom dragging their feet at a critical time
when they need to be aggressive with a rollout of this highly anticipated
product is very, very confusing, to say the least. My gut still says this
DVR will not happen now after the news of a couple of weeks ago. Let's hope
I'm wrong.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Sexton [mailto:stanathomesell@cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:09 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] VOOM post to my big dish group
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> The Perfect Combination: The VOOM STB and a JVC S-VHS VCR.
> You can live a little longer without a DVR. Almost all don't
> record in HD, and a S-VHS VCR can record up to 400 lines.
> I can hardly tell the difference between VOOM live and my
> S-VHS recordings.
> The S-VHS jack on the VOOM STB must put out better than the
> typical 330 lines of SD/Cable.
> A regular VHS VCR can only record 240 lines. Don't even try
> this on the composite outputs. Your eyes will fall out.
> For those deprived of the S-VHS experience, go to Japan.
> While you were wasting your eyes renting/buying/watching
> regular VHS tapes over the last 20 years, the Japanese were
> renting/buying/watching S-VHS. They had 400 lines and you had
> 240 lines. That's why you think video tape is so second rate.
> Ok, the DVRs have some programming tricks.But you can record
> VOOM now, the decks are cheap, and the picture is really good
> with S-VHS, especially the top of the line JVC decks with
> Time Base Correction and Digital Enhancements. No white noise.
> For the Japanese, DVDs were only a step-up of 80 lines of
> resolution, and a smaller form factor.They still have S-VHS big time.
> So if the DVR thing is a deal breaker for you, get a cable
> DVR and record your 2-4 channels of high def like we have
> here in San Diego (not counting the compressed OTA).
> But for now, S-VHS works well and you can record on tapes
> from the 99 cent store.
> Stan in San Diego, who has hundreds of higher resolution
> movies on S-VHS and no DVR, and can't imagine how I would
> archive 400 movies on a DVR.
> Sounds like a temporary storage toy to me.
>





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[Bruce Grodner]

I agree with that for some people the DVR is important. For me, the most
important thing is WHAT I am watching.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jnardone" <satguys2004@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] VOOM post to my big dish group


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> Yes, the reason someone would choose DISH over VOOM is the DVR. The
> reason VOOM is not attracting enough subscribers is the DVR. It
> doesn't matter how many channels you have if you can only watch one at
> a time.
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> jnardone
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[Stan Sexton]

The Perfect Combination: The VOOM STB and a JVC S-VHS VCR.
You can live a little longer without a DVR. Almost all don't record in HD, and a S-VHS VCR can record up to 400 lines.
I can hardly tell the difference between VOOM live and my S-VHS recordings.
The S-VHS jack on the VOOM STB must put out better than the typical 330 lines of SD/Cable.
A regular VHS VCR can only record 240 lines. Don't even try this on the composite outputs. Your eyes will fall out.
For those deprived of the S-VHS experience, go to Japan. While you were wasting your eyes renting/buying/watching regular VHS tapes over the last 20 years, the Japanese were renting/buying/watching S-VHS. They had 400 lines and you had 240 lines. That's why you think video tape is so second rate.
Ok, the DVRs have some programming tricks.But you can record VOOM now, the decks are cheap, and the picture is really good with S-VHS, especially the top of the line JVC decks with Time Base Correction and Digital Enhancements. No white noise.
For the Japanese, DVDs were only a step-up of 80 lines of resolution, and a smaller form factor.They still have S-VHS big time.
So if the DVR thing is a deal breaker for you, get a cable DVR and record your 2-4 channels of high def like we have here in San Diego (not counting the compressed OTA).
But for now, S-VHS works well and you can record on tapes from the 99 cent store.
Stan in San Diego, who has hundreds of higher resolution movies on S-VHS and no DVR, and can't imagine how I would archive 400 movies on a DVR.
Sounds like a temporary storage toy to me.

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[seattlesatelliter]

[VOOM] Re: VOOM post to my big dish group

Same here, Bruce. Although for many having a DVR is important (hey,
the kids are out of the house so I can watch pretty much when I want
to watch), here it is more important to have a lot of HDTV all the time.

Watching HDTV under very cold clear Seattle skies, Gill


--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Grodner" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> I agree with that for some people the DVR is important. For me, the most
> important thing is WHAT I am watching.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jnardone" <satguys2004@y...>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] VOOM post to my big dish group
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> > Yes, the reason someone would choose DISH over VOOM is the DVR. The
> > reason VOOM is not attracting enough subscribers is the DVR. It
> > doesn't matter how many channels you have if you can only watch one at
> > a time.
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> > jnardone
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[jnardone]

Yes, the reason someone would choose DISH over VOOM is the DVR. The
reason VOOM is not attracting enough subscribers is the DVR. It
doesn't matter how many channels you have if you can only watch one at
a time.


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