[VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

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Bob,

Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?

Why would they continue the company without their main [and currently
only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
venture going?

If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
"Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo

It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not getting
enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
things don't always last.

-Keith

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting a bit
> Scott.
>
> Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new ground
station
> facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
about the
> time they promised an increase in channels for March.
>
> Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out the
memo
> without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
guess is
> he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
>
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets turned off.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in the
> > corporate
> > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations. And
> > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and expect
> > service
> > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > termination of
> > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively enumerates
> > what is
> > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as well
> > as
> > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There are
> > legal
> > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > programming will
> > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than not. I
> > might be
> > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong possibility
> > of some
> > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > take care of
> > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > monthly revenue
> > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > providers are
> > > really fighting over.....
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > I enjoyed
> > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
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Keith,
I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob is based
on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good points
are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't know yet
exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate details of the
deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes. They
have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books, etc.
Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require some
serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review there
will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading. as
Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
----- Original Message -----
From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1


>
>
> Bob,
>
> Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
>
> Why would they continue the company without their main [and currently
> only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> venture going?
>
> If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
>
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
>
> It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not getting
> enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> things don't always last.
>
> -Keith
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting a bit
> > Scott.
> >
> > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new ground
> station
> > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> about the
> > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> >
> > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out the
> memo
> > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> guess is
> > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets turned off.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in the
> > > corporate
> > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations. And
> > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and expect
> > > service
> > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > termination of
> > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively enumerates
> > > what is
> > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as well
> > > as
> > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There are
> > > legal
> > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > programming will
> > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than not. I
> > > might be
> > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong possibility
> > > of some
> > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > take care of
> > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > monthly revenue
> > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > providers are
> > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > I enjoyed
> > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > > > >
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I would ask my distributor (O'Rourke Bros.)what they think this all
means, but just last week they showed me a letter from Voom stating
all the rumors were lies and that no such talks were going on with
Dish Network.

This news shakes my confidence greatly in the character of
Cablevision, Voom and my distributor.
I will not be selling any more Voom until I understand that I have
bad information or am mistaken about the dealings with Dish Network.
I could normally just brush this off as a necessary business deal
and hope that Charlie will keep Voom as a separate entity.

They could have just stayed silent about the rumors and I've have
some respect.

But it's very hard to reconcile what I see today with the letter my
distributor showed me last week saying that they will not even
discuss things with Charlie Ergen. This comes down to dealing with
LIARS.

Please Wilt, tell us that Voom will remain a separate entity and we
1) won't lose Voom and 2) won't be losing it to Charlie.

If Charlie just used the HD capacity for Dish Nutwerks then it looks
like we'd all have to still deal with the biggest liar of them all
(Charlie).
When he owned Houston Tracker and then Echosphere and was marketing
C-Band product, They'd tell us every year that they fixed their
power supplies so we should feel confident and buy their new models.
NOT! Same problems year after year.
The first year they invited us C-Band dealers to be the initial
installation crews for Dish Nutwerks, someone raised the question of
when Dish would have the Sunday Ticket. Their response was to tell
us to tell the customers that they'd have the Sunday Ticket the
following year. NOT! Then the same promise the next year and the
next year. Then finally they came out with an advertisement
saying "All the football you'll need" which had Fox and CBS from 2-3
cities.
If Charlie isn't a lying scumbag, he sure needs to reign in those
that represent him.

Do not believe what you hear when Charlie is involved.



--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "a_friend101" <a_friend101@y...> wrote:
>
> http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?
> ticker=dish&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=665115





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I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom=20=20
will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from=20=20
Dish.

On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:

> Keith,
> I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob is =
=20
> based
> on conjecture.=A0 Both yours and the WSJ reported.=A0 Admittedly, good =
=20
> points
> are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't know =
=20
> yet
> exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate details =
=20
> of the
> deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.=A0 =
=20
> They
> have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,=20=20
> etc.
> Have you ever bought a company?=A0 A company that size will require some
> serious appraisal before anything changes.=A0 After a period of review =
=20
> there
> will be a new game plan for sure.=A0 It will make interesting reading.=
=A0=20=20
> as
> Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >
> > Why would they continue the company without their main [and=20=20[/color]
> currently
> > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> > venture going?
> >
> > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?=20
> mod=3Dyahoo_hs&ru=3Dyahoo
> >
> > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not=20=20
> getting
> > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> > things don't always last.
> >
> > -Keith
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting =
=20
> a bit
> > > Scott.
> > >
> > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new=20=20
> ground
> > station
> > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > about the
> > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > >
> > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out =
=20
> the
> > memo
> > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > guess is
> > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here.=A0 Echostar did
> > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > > exist when this deal goes through.=A0 VOOM has no more
> > > > satellite.=A0 It is just a matter of when the satellite gets=20=20
> turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses.=A0 I work in =
=20
> the
> > > > corporate
> > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.=A0 =
=20
> And
> > > > > changeovers take time.=A0 I will continue to pay my bill and =
=20
> expect
> > > > service
> > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > termination of
> > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively=20=20
> enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > > > going to happen and when.=A0 People have purchased equipment as =
=20
> well
> > > > as
> > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered.=A0 There =
=20
> are
> > > > legal
> > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than=20=20
> not.=A0 I
> > > > might be
> > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than=20=20
> leased.
> > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong=20=20
> possibility
> > > > of some
> > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers.=A0 I could be wrong but to
> > > > take care of
> > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > stream for the long term.=A0 And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very sad day.=A0 Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > >=A0 I enjoyed
> > > > > the service greatly.=A0 Sorry it ended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
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Keith, I can take it either way. Life will go on. I'm just pointing out that
we don't know all the details yet.

The WSJ is paraphrasing without all of the facts. I don't recall in any
Echsostar or Cablevision PR where they said it was shutting down Voom. Did
you read that?

Rainbow 1 and the base station in S.D. are only some of the assets. What
about the rest of them? What about the leased space on the other satellites
already contracted for?

We'll know the rest of the story in the coming days.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: keithnet [mailto:voom@keith.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
>
> Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> currently only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
> satellite to keep the venture going?
>
> If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the
> recently published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite
> service and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
> business to EchoStar Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
>
> It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and
> not getting enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
> service, but great things don't always last.
>
> -Keith
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting a
> > bit Scott.
> >
> > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new ground
> station
> > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> about the
> > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> >
> > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out the
> memo
> > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> guess is
> > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar
> did not buy
> > > the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1 satellite
> and related
> > > equipment. VOOM basically will not exist when this deal goes
> > > through. VOOM has no more satellite. It is just a
> matter of when
> > > the satellite gets turned off.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I
> work in the
> > > corporate
> > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these
> situations. And
> > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill
> and expect
> > > service
> > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > termination of
> > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> enumerates
> > > what is
> > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased
> equipment as well
> > > as
> > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered.
> There are
> > > legal
> > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > programming will
> > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment
> than not. I
> > > might be
> > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> possibility
> > > of some
> > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > take care of
> > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > monthly revenue
> > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > providers are
> > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > I enjoyed
> > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
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Hi Tim,
I kind of read that as a possibility too. It would be an interesting
situation. eviction can be difficult.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@mac.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1



I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom
will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from
Dish.

On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:

> Keith,
> I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob is
> based
> on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
> points
> are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't know
> yet
> exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate details
> of the
> deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
> They
> have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,
> etc.
> Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require some
> serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
> there
> will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading.
> as
> Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >
> > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> currently
> > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> > venture going?
> >
> > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >
> > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not
> getting
> > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> > things don't always last.
> >
> > -Keith
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting
> a bit
> > > Scott.
> > >
> > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new
> ground
> > station
> > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > about the
> > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > >
> > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out
> the
> > memo
> > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > guess is
> > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
> turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> the
> > > > corporate
> > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> And
> > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> expect
> > > > service
> > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > termination of
> > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> well
> > > > as
> > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> are
> > > > legal
> > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> not. I
> > > > might be
> > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
> leased.
> > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> possibility
> > > > of some
> > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > > take care of
> > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > > I enjoyed
> > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> > > > > >
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Let me say this. VOOM is now dead as of tonight. They sold Rainbow
1 and now do not own a satellite. The signal may continue to be
sent out until the deal is approved by the FCC. When the signal
actually is turned off is anyone's guess. However, it is now a
matter of when the VOOM signal goes off not if.


--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> Scott,
> Did you read my comments? Way off base? you make it sound like
there'll be
> no VOOM signal almost immediately. How do you know what the
details of the
> deal are? It is at this point very private. There are all kinds
of legal
> wranglings and contracts to follow. Lawyers making their money.
VOOM could
> die and I said so. WE DON'T KNOW if or when. In the meantime, I
am in
> absolutely no jeopardy by continuing to enjoy the service and
waiting for
> any announcements that follow. What if the Dolan's bought VOOM
and Echostar
> bought Rainbow 1? Can Echostar just kick VOOM off their new
satellite at
> will. This is leased capacity. There are contractual obligations.
> You said:
> It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> >>
> >> Scott
> I'm watching VOOM right now. It hasn't ended. I'm off base?
> What you suggest is a prediction and in the future, soon or never,
may prove
> you right. But not today. Relax and enjoy VOOM now, tomorrow
will come
> soon enough.
> Really I understand your concerns but you are jumping the gun.
> Thegrod
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:48 PM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did not
buy
> > the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1 satellite and
related
> > equipment. VOOM basically will not exist when this deal goes
> > through. VOOM has no more satellite. It is just a matter of
when
> > the satellite gets turned off.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> >> They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
the
> > corporate
> >> world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
And
> >> changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
expect
> > service
> >> until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > termination of
> >> services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> >> I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
enumerates
> > what is
> >> going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
well
> > as
> >> leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
are
> > legal
> >> obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> >> I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > programming will
> >> survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
not. I
> > might be
> >> a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> >> If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
possibility
> > of some
> >> very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > take care of
> >> us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > monthly revenue
> >> stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > providers are
> >> really fighting over.....
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > wrote:
> >> > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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Conjecture?

Is the official Cablevision press release not official enough for you?

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050120/205895_1.html
(Here's it from EchoStar's site if Yahoo! isn't good enough for ya:
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=dish&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=665115)

"Cablevision Systems Corporation (NYSE:CVC - News) today announced
that it has entered into a definitive agreement for Rainbow DBS
Company LLC to sell its direct broadcast satellite and certain other
related assets to a subsidiary of EchoStar Communications Corp.
(Nasdaq: DISH - News) for $200 million in cash."

We're talking about two public companies. They don't just release
"ideas" as press releases. The status of Rainbow DBS is way too
important to Cablevision and its shareholders for them to screw
around. They wouldn't announce something if it was the case.

It's pretty clear: Cablevision and EchoStar reached a "definitive
agreement" to "sell its direct broadcast satellite and certain other
related assets".

What's the other related assets? The release goes on to explain:
"FCC licenses to construct, launch and operate DBS services over 11
frequency channels at the 61.5 degree W.L. orbital location. In
addition, EchoStar will acquire the contents of Rainbow DBS's ground
facility in Black Hawk, S.D. and related assets."

What's happening with all the other stuff?
"Cablevision will continue to explore strategic alternatives,
including monetization, for its remaining Rainbow DBS related assets,
including programming, equipment and spectrum."

certainly enjoy VOOM while it lasts. Don't be surprised if it's not on
anymore on 2/1 tho. That seems to be one of the only things that will
convince a bunch of you of the reality.

-Keith

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Grodner" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> Keith,
> I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob
is based
> on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
points
> are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't
know yet
> exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate
details of the
> deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
They
> have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books, etc.
> Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require some
> serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
there
> will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading. as
> Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >
> > Why would they continue the company without their main [and currently
> > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> > venture going?
> >
> > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >
>
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >
> > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not getting
> > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> > things don't always last.
> >
> > -Keith
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're
exaggerting a bit
> > > Scott.
> > >
> > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new ground
> > station
> > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > about the
> > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > >
> > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out the
> > memo
> > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > guess is
> > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work
in the
> > > > corporate
> > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
And
> > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
expect
> > > > service
> > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > termination of
> > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment
as well
> > > > as
> > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered.
There are
> > > > legal
> > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
not. I
> > > > might be
> > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
possibility
> > > > of some
> > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > > take care of
> > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > > I enjoyed
> > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...> wrote:
> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom
> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from
> Dish.

why would either company do that? that's just silly. Voom couldn't
survive owning it and why would Echostar want to lease something it
could really use for their own service? that's just crazy fantasy.

-Keith





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Scott,
HOW do you know this? From reading that 1 article?
Or do you have another source of info? Please explain. Thanks.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@optonline.net>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:57 PM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1


>
>
> Let me say this. VOOM is now dead as of tonight. They sold Rainbow
> 1 and now do not own a satellite. The signal may continue to be
> sent out until the deal is approved by the FCC. When the signal
> actually is turned off is anyone's guess. However, it is now a
> matter of when the VOOM signal goes off not if.
>
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > Scott,
> > Did you read my comments? Way off base? you make it sound like
> there'll be
> > no VOOM signal almost immediately. How do you know what the
> details of the
> > deal are? It is at this point very private. There are all kinds
> of legal
> > wranglings and contracts to follow. Lawyers making their money.
> VOOM could
> > die and I said so. WE DON'T KNOW if or when. In the meantime, I
> am in
> > absolutely no jeopardy by continuing to enjoy the service and
> waiting for
> > any announcements that follow. What if the Dolan's bought VOOM
> and Echostar
> > bought Rainbow 1? Can Echostar just kick VOOM off their new
> satellite at
> > will. This is leased capacity. There are contractual obligations.
> > You said:
> > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > >>
> > >> Scott
> > I'm watching VOOM right now. It hasn't ended. I'm off base?
> > What you suggest is a prediction and in the future, soon or never,
> may prove
> > you right. But not today. Relax and enjoy VOOM now, tomorrow
> will come
> > soon enough.
> > Really I understand your concerns but you are jumping the gun.
> > Thegrod
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did not
> buy
> > > the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1 satellite and
> related
> > > equipment. VOOM basically will not exist when this deal goes
> > > through. VOOM has no more satellite. It is just a matter of
> when
> > > the satellite gets turned off.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > >> They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> the
> > > corporate
> > >> world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> And
> > >> changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> expect
> > > service
> > >> until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > termination of
> > >> services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > >> I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> enumerates
> > > what is
> > >> going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> well
> > > as
> > >> leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> are
> > > legal
> > >> obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > >> I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > programming will
> > >> survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> not. I
> > > might be
> > >> a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> > >> If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> possibility
> > > of some
> > >> very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > take care of
> > >> us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > monthly revenue
> > >> stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > providers are
> > >> really fighting over.....
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > >>
> > >> Scott
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > >> > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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The only facts missing are what the Cablevision consides a "transition
period."

"VOOM will continue to provide service to its current customers during
a transition period."

Why would they lease space on other satellite to continue an
unprofitable service? Think more people will join if VOOM starts to
offer LESS programming and features?

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> Keith, I can take it either way. Life will go on. I'm just pointing
out that
> we don't know all the details yet.
>
> The WSJ is paraphrasing without all of the facts. I don't recall in any
> Echsostar or Cablevision PR where they said it was shutting down
Voom. Did
> you read that?
>
> Rainbow 1 and the base station in S.D. are only some of the assets. What
> about the rest of them? What about the leased space on the other
satellites
> already contracted for?
>
> We'll know the rest of the story in the coming days.
>
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: keithnet [mailto:voom@k...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >
> > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> > currently only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
> > satellite to keep the venture going?
> >
> > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the
> > recently published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite
> > service and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
> > business to EchoStar Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >
> > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and
> > not getting enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
> > service, but great things don't always last.
> >
> > -Keith
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting a
> > > bit Scott.
> > >
> > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new ground
> > station
> > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > about the
> > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > >
> > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out the
> > memo
> > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > guess is
> > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar
> > did not buy
> > > > the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1 satellite
> > and related
> > > > equipment. VOOM basically will not exist when this deal goes
> > > > through. VOOM has no more satellite. It is just a
> > matter of when
> > > > the satellite gets turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I
> > work in the
> > > > corporate
> > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these
> > situations. And
> > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill
> > and expect
> > > > service
> > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > termination of
> > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> > enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased
> > equipment as well
> > > > as
> > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered.
> > There are
> > > > legal
> > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment
> > than not. I
> > > > might be
> > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> > possibility
> > > > of some
> > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > > take care of
> > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > > I enjoyed
> > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Grodner" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> eviction can be difficult.

You really think it will be difficult for Echostar to go: "hi, yeah,
about that satellite we paid you for, um, we want to use it. get off?"

that's like selling a used car to someone and thinking you can
continue to drive it.

that's even assuming cablevision would want to continue to service.






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It is being discussed very, very explicitly on the satelliteguys
forum. That is a great source of information. See here :

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=43544


--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Grodner" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> Scott,
> HOW do you know this? From reading that 1 article?
> Or do you have another source of info? Please explain. Thanks.
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:57 PM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Let me say this. VOOM is now dead as of tonight. They sold
Rainbow
> > 1 and now do not own a satellite. The signal may continue to be
> > sent out until the deal is approved by the FCC. When the signal
> > actually is turned off is anyone's guess. However, it is now a
> > matter of when the VOOM signal goes off not if.
> >
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > Scott,
> > > Did you read my comments? Way off base? you make it sound
like
> > there'll be
> > > no VOOM signal almost immediately. How do you know what the
> > details of the
> > > deal are? It is at this point very private. There are all
kinds
> > of legal
> > > wranglings and contracts to follow. Lawyers making their
money.
> > VOOM could
> > > die and I said so. WE DON'T KNOW if or when. In the
meantime, I
> > am in
> > > absolutely no jeopardy by continuing to enjoy the service and
> > waiting for
> > > any announcements that follow. What if the Dolan's bought
VOOM
> > and Echostar
> > > bought Rainbow 1? Can Echostar just kick VOOM off their new
> > satellite at
> > > will. This is leased capacity. There are contractual
obligations.
> > > You said:
> > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> > > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > >>
> > > >> Scott
> > > I'm watching VOOM right now. It hasn't ended. I'm off base?
> > > What you suggest is a prediction and in the future, soon or
never,
> > may prove
> > > you right. But not today. Relax and enjoy VOOM now, tomorrow
> > will come
> > > soon enough.
> > > Really I understand your concerns but you are jumping the gun.
> > > Thegrod
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:48 PM
> > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
not
> > buy
> > > > the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1 satellite and
> > related
> > > > equipment. VOOM basically will not exist when this deal goes
> > > > through. VOOM has no more satellite. It is just a matter
of
> > when
> > > > the satellite gets turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > >> They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work
in
> > the
> > > > corporate
> > > >> world and you can expect the unexpected in these
situations.
> > And
> > > >> changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> > expect
> > > > service
> > > >> until I am told to do something different or sent a notice
of
> > > > termination of
> > > >> services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > >> I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> > enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > >> going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment
as
> > well
> > > > as
> > > >> leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered.
There
> > are
> > > > legal
> > > >> obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > >> I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > >> survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> > not. I
> > > > might be
> > > >> a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
leased.
> > > >> If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> > possibility
> > > > of some
> > > >> very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but
to
> > > > take care of
> > > >> us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > >> stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > >> really fighting over.....
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
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> > > >>
> > > >> It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years
VOOM. I
> > > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > >>
> > > >> Scott
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
<timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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I don't see much risk in anyone currently wishing to have Voom
installed on the lease deal.
It's the dealer/ Installer that gets to wonder for 45 days (typical
payment cycle) if he's wasting his time or not.

Cablevison release said "VOOM will continue to provide service to
its current customers during a transition period".

I cannot believe that these words ("a") were not chosen
specifically instead of "through the transition perion or something
else to specifically say that Voom service will continue on (along
with their ability to pay their installers and dealers.





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While I doubt this scenario will happen, I do like the idea.

Look, if ATT wireless can come back to life reselling Sprint wireless services why can't Voom exist in some form on a Dish bird. I've always hoped that they would turn into an HD only service to supplement my cable service.

I think the key to the possibility of a deal is the 'value' of the $200m price tag. Is it too good of a deal suggesting that there might be a backroom deal still brewing?

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Grodner
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1


Hi Tim,
I kind of read that as a possibility too. It would be an interesting
situation. eviction can be difficult.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@mac.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1



I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is not sold. Voom
will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky Angel does from
Dish.

On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:

> Keith,
> I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob is
> based
> on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
> points
> are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't know
> yet
> exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate details
> of the
> deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
> They
> have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books,
> etc.
> Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require some
> serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
> there
> will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading.
> as
> Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> >
> > Why would they continue the company without their main [and
> currently
> > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> > venture going?
> >
> > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >
> > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not
> getting
> > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> > things don't always last.
> >
> > -Keith
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're exaggerting
> a bit
> > > Scott.
> > >
> > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new
> ground
> > station
> > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > about the
> > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > >
> > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out
> the
> > memo
> > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > guess is
> > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
> turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> the
> > > > corporate
> > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> And
> > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> expect
> > > > service
> > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > termination of
> > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> well
> > > > as
> > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> are
> > > > legal
> > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> not. I
> > > > might be
> > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
> leased.
> > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> possibility
> > > > of some
> > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > > take care of
> > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > > I enjoyed
> > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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Scott, they AGREED to sell the satellite to E*. It is subject to FCC and DOJ
approval. It's not a done deal until then. You don't broadcast jack without
that approval, so unless they get jollies out of hardware simply flying
around in space, don't jump the gun. Let's not forget that the gov't already
nixed one DBS buyout, so they obviously have some concerns.

Echostar was denied added licensing 2 years ago and those very frequencies
were awarded to Cablevision instead(you can Google to find the PR). My
question is, why? The FCC just limited on frequencies or did they not want
E* to have them for other reasons. That needs to be answered. If the FCC has
their number for some reason, the deal will not close. E* already has a bird
at 61.5 What impact does that have?

If Keith is adamant about the lights going out on 2/1, then I'll buy him a
beer if he's right! Does anyone seriously think the FCC moves in that kind
of timeframe? Cablevision has that "transition period" phrase in there and
somehow it will all sort out in 10 days??? LOL!

This is just hilarious how everyone has it figured out. Is the list full of
unemployed M&A types or something?

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@optonline.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:57 PM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
>
> Let me say this. VOOM is now dead as of tonight. They sold Rainbow
> 1 and now do not own a satellite. The signal may continue to
> be sent out until the deal is approved by the FCC. When the
> signal actually is turned off is anyone's guess. However, it
> is now a matter of when the VOOM signal goes off not if.
>
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > Scott,
> > Did you read my comments? Way off base? you make it sound like
> there'll be
> > no VOOM signal almost immediately. How do you know what the
> details of the
> > deal are? It is at this point very private. There are all kinds
> of legal
> > wranglings and contracts to follow. Lawyers making their money.
> VOOM could
> > die and I said so. WE DON'T KNOW if or when. In the meantime, I
> am in
> > absolutely no jeopardy by continuing to enjoy the service and
> waiting for
> > any announcements that follow. What if the Dolan's bought VOOM
> and Echostar
> > bought Rainbow 1? Can Echostar just kick VOOM off their new
> satellite at
> > will. This is leased capacity. There are contractual obligations.
> > You said:
> > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > >>
> > >> Scott
> > I'm watching VOOM right now. It hasn't ended. I'm off base?
> > What you suggest is a prediction and in the future, soon or never,
> may prove
> > you right. But not today. Relax and enjoy VOOM now, tomorrow
> will come
> > soon enough.
> > Really I understand your concerns but you are jumping the gun.
> > Thegrod
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did not
> buy
> > > the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1 satellite and
> related
> > > equipment. VOOM basically will not exist when this deal goes
> > > through. VOOM has no more satellite. It is just a matter of
> when
> > > the satellite gets turned off.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > >> They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> the
> > > corporate
> > >> world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> And
> > >> changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> expect
> > > service
> > >> until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > termination of
> > >> services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > >> I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> enumerates
> > > what is
> > >> going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> well
> > > as
> > >> leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> are
> > > legal
> > >> obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > >> I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > programming will
> > >> survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> not. I
> > > might be
> > >> a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> > >> If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> possibility
> > > of some
> > >> very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > take care of
> > >> us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > monthly revenue
> > >> stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > providers are
> > >> really fighting over.....
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
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> > >> It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > >>
> > >> Scott
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> > >> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
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[VOOM] Re: Wilt... Thanks for all you did...

I think I just saw Wilt jump off the Empire State Building.
May God be with him.

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "korsakov35" <korsakov35@y...> wrote:
>
> Voom was/is great and I just want to make sure you know you
> was one of the reasons why Voom was/is great.





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Why would the FCC and DOJ block the deal and don't you think both
companies did some research to make sure there is a good chance it
will pass before they signed on the dotted line? These are public
companies who are dealing with important assets.

So let's just explore the idea the FCC says no.

Cablevision: We're looking to sell our dish because we no longer wish
to invest money in it. The business isn't viable. (reports have
estimated they will have to spend up to $1.5B to keep the service
going the next two years).

FCC: No. You can't.

Cablevision: OK, well, we're not investing any more. Enjoy the space
junk.

At some point the FCC would take back the DBS frequencies and auction
them off to someone new. I highly doubt the FCC would let something
like that happen when they can see the deal makes sense for both
companies. It makes sense for Cablevision cause they can't/don't want
to continue to support it. It makes sense for Echostar because they
will able to compete better with DirecTV. It's pretty fair market
value for the dish too.

As far as 2/1, I look forward to drinking that beer. I can't imagine
them leaving the service on for much longer. That would just be silly.

A WSJ article yesterday (1/19) said this:
"At a three-hour meeting via phone, the board asked Cablevision's
management to give it a plan for cutting back funding of the service,
known as Voom, which launched about a year ago.

The board also asked for a status report on efforts to sell the
business. The company has funded the service, which lost $75.3 million
in the third quarter of last year, only until the end of the month,
people said."

Which means i'd be surprised to see the service continue past 1/31.
Why the heck would they continue to lose money when they are going to
be shutting down the system? Shareholders would revolt. I'm surprised
they haven't already. Cablevision has a good business going and VOOM
is pulling down earnings big time.

What's in the drinks/food some of you are consuming? I want some.

-Keith

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> Scott, they AGREED to sell the satellite to E*. It is subject to FCC
and DOJ
> approval. It's not a done deal until then. You don't broadcast jack
without
> that approval, so unless they get jollies out of hardware simply
flying
> around in space, don't jump the gun. Let's not forget that the gov't
already
> nixed one DBS buyout, so they obviously have some concerns.
>
> Echostar was denied added licensing 2 years ago and those very
frequencies
> were awarded to Cablevision instead(you can Google to find the PR).
My
> question is, why? The FCC just limited on frequencies or did they
not want
> E* to have them for other reasons. That needs to be answered. If the
FCC has
> their number for some reason, the deal will not close. E* already
has a bird
> at 61.5 What impact does that have?
>
> If Keith is adamant about the lights going out on 2/1, then I'll buy
him a
> beer if he's right! Does anyone seriously think the FCC moves in
that kind
> of timeframe? Cablevision has that "transition period" phrase in
there and
> somehow it will all sort out in 10 days??? LOL!
>
> This is just hilarious how everyone has it figured out. Is the list
full of
> unemployed M&A types or something?
>
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:57 PM
> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me say this. VOOM is now dead as of tonight. They sold
Rainbow
> > 1 and now do not own a satellite. The signal may continue to
> > be sent out until the deal is approved by the FCC. When the
> > signal actually is turned off is anyone's guess. However, it
> > is now a matter of when the VOOM signal goes off not if.
> >
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > Scott,
> > > Did you read my comments? Way off base? you make it sound like
> > there'll be
> > > no VOOM signal almost immediately. How do you know what the
> > details of the
> > > deal are? It is at this point very private. There are all
kinds
> > of legal
> > > wranglings and contracts to follow. Lawyers making their
money.
> > VOOM could
> > > die and I said so. WE DON'T KNOW if or when. In the meantime,
I
> > am in
> > > absolutely no jeopardy by continuing to enjoy the service and
> > waiting for
> > > any announcements that follow. What if the Dolan's bought VOOM
> > and Echostar
> > > bought Rainbow 1? Can Echostar just kick VOOM off their new
> > satellite at
> > > will. This is leased capacity. There are contractual
obligations.
> > > You said:
> > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM. I
> > > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > >>
> > > >> Scott
> > > I'm watching VOOM right now. It hasn't ended. I'm off base?
> > > What you suggest is a prediction and in the future, soon or
never,
> > may prove
> > > you right. But not today. Relax and enjoy VOOM now, tomorrow
> > will come
> > > soon enough.
> > > Really I understand your concerns but you are jumping the gun.
> > > Thegrod
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:48 PM
> > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
not
> > buy
> > > > the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1 satellite and
> > related
> > > > equipment. VOOM basically will not exist when this deal goes
> > > > through. VOOM has no more satellite. It is just a matter of
> > when
> > > > the satellite gets turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > >> They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work in
> > the
> > > > corporate
> > > >> world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.

> > And
> > > >> changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> > expect
> > > > service
> > > >> until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > termination of
> > > >> services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > >> I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> > enumerates
> > > > what is
> > > >> going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment as
> > well
> > > > as
> > > >> leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered. There
> > are
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> > > >> obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > >> I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > programming will
> > > >> survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> > not. I
> > > > might be
> > > >> a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than
leased.
> > > >> If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> > possibility
> > > > of some
> > > >> very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but
to
> > > > take care of
> > > >> us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > monthly revenue
> > > >> stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > providers are
> > > >> really fighting over.....
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >> It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
I
> > > >> enjoyed the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > >>
> > > >> Scott
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
<timothyfouts@m...>
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> > > >> > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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I think Wilt is battling the Sci Atlantic 8300 DVRs & 8300HD DVRs now
 
Keith,
You misunderstand. Have you ever written a press release? They are vague
when needed and this one does not spell things out. I will be extremely
surprised if VOOM DOOM is on 2/1. Reality is when something actually
happens not when someone tries to read through the lines of a couple of
"official" press release announcements the day of the big business deal.
I am not saying your conclusion will prove to be incorrect, I'm just saying
that you can't really know unless you are in the insiders group with the
Dolans and the Ergans.
As to convincing me you have, I'm throwing out my VOOM receiver in the
morning. Why would I watch all that good programming knowing it could end
soon?
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "keithnet" <voom@keith.net>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:59 PM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1


>
>
> Conjecture?
>
> Is the official Cablevision press release not official enough for you?
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050120/205895_1.html
> (Here's it from EchoStar's site if Yahoo! isn't good enough for ya:
>
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=dish&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=665115)
>
> "Cablevision Systems Corporation (NYSE:CVC - News) today announced
> that it has entered into a definitive agreement for Rainbow DBS
> Company LLC to sell its direct broadcast satellite and certain other
> related assets to a subsidiary of EchoStar Communications Corp.
> (Nasdaq: DISH - News) for $200 million in cash."
>
> We're talking about two public companies. They don't just release
> "ideas" as press releases. The status of Rainbow DBS is way too
> important to Cablevision and its shareholders for them to screw
> around. They wouldn't announce something if it was the case.
>
> It's pretty clear: Cablevision and EchoStar reached a "definitive
> agreement" to "sell its direct broadcast satellite and certain other
> related assets".
>
> What's the other related assets? The release goes on to explain:
> "FCC licenses to construct, launch and operate DBS services over 11
> frequency channels at the 61.5 degree W.L. orbital location. In
> addition, EchoStar will acquire the contents of Rainbow DBS's ground
> facility in Black Hawk, S.D. and related assets."
>
> What's happening with all the other stuff?
> "Cablevision will continue to explore strategic alternatives,
> including monetization, for its remaining Rainbow DBS related assets,
> including programming, equipment and spectrum."
>
> certainly enjoy VOOM while it lasts. Don't be surprised if it's not on
> anymore on 2/1 tho. That seems to be one of the only things that will
> convince a bunch of you of the reality.
>
> -Keith
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Grodner" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > Keith,
> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your email to Bob
> is based
> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported. Admittedly, good
> points
> > are raised but if I paid that much for something, which we don't
> know yet
> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the intimate
> details of the
> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make any changes.
> They
> > have yet to put a team of management people on it, check the books, etc.
> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size will require some
> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a period of review
> there
> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make interesting reading. as
> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that VOOM is over?
> > >
> > > Why would they continue the company without their main [and currently
> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's satellite to keep the
> > > venture going?
> > >
> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me quote the recently
> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom satellite service
> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing business to EchoStar
> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> > >
> >
>
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> > >
> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much cash and not getting
> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great service, but great
> > > things don't always last.
> > >
> > > -Keith
> > >
> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...> wrote:
> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think you're
> exaggerting a bit
> > > > Scott.
> > > >
> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and has a new ground
> > > station
> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due to happen right
> > > about the
> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for March.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I doubt he sent out the
> > > memo
> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about to be sold. My
> > > guess is
> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here knows about yet.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here. Echostar did
> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the Rainbow 1
> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically will not
> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no more
> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the satellite gets
> turned off.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your horses. I work
> in the
> > > > > corporate
> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in these situations.
> And
> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay my bill and
> expect
> > > > > service
> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or sent a notice of
> > > > > termination of
> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've already paid out.
> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it conclusively
> enumerates
> > > > > what is
> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have purchased equipment
> as well
> > > > > as
> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be considered.
> There are
> > > > > legal
> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to hash out.
> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of their original
> > > > > programming will
> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this moment than
> not. I
> > > > > might be
> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment rather than leased.
> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate the strong
> possibility
> > > > > of some
> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could be wrong but to
> > > > > take care of
> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange for ptential
> > > > > monthly revenue
> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what cable and Sat TV
> > > > > providers are
> > > > > > really fighting over.....
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4 years VOOM.
> > > > > I enjoyed
> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts <timothyfouts@m...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
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