VOOM Goes BOOM - update Dish Drops all 15 VOOM Channels

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Within 2 years after Sony conceded (which everyone assumes was in 1988 when they began manufacturing VHS recorders) Betamax recorders/media were no longer available in the US (for home recording/viewing purposes). However, Betamax was still produced up until 2002 in Japan. It's entire lifespan was 27 years. It was hardly a "viable" format for any more than 4-6 years as "viable" went out the window with Sony's stubbornness.

OK, I agree with your definition of 2 years then ('88-'90). But I disagree with your 4-6 years of viability. I could buy or rent Betamax movies in 1977, and I could buy or rent them in 1990.

Betamax also had a life in the late 80's as an audiophile product, as you could record PCM audio to it.

If there's one thing BetaMax vs VHS taught us, it's the ability of Americans to rally around an inferior product just because they're told to.
 
Did Voom show the Nascar race in HD,What about any Major league Baseball/ Football. How about new premier movies in HD? How about new CSI,or Law in Order, Live Boxing, All Voom ever played was old movies and TV shows ,cartoons OVER AND OVER. I would rather watch Deadliest catch in HD for 1 hour then the entire Voom line up. There was Never anything on Voom! Just because its HD all the time doesn't make the same old boring movies and Shows any better. Whats on Voom that is exclusive? Repeated Old content. If you were lucky maybe 1 or 2 new CFL football games.

ummm, VOOM Hater?
 
OK, I agree with your definition of 2 years then ('88-'90). But I disagree with your 4-6 years of viability. I could buy or rent Betamax movies in 1977, and I could buy or rent them in 1990.

Betamax also had a life in the late 80's as an audiophile product, as you could record PCM audio to it.

If there's one thing BetaMax vs VHS taught us, it's the ability of Americans to rally around an inferior product just because they're told to.

When I was on ship in 1992 - 1993, I brought my SuperBetaHiFi because all movies on ship were in beta format and we could borrow them to watch down in medical.
 
We are quoting DBSTALK stats here? Ha! They are all D* fans, how could you filter those out of the voting?

The poll here, http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd-discussions/135347-revised-poll-voom-gone-what-now.html, shows 65% are disappointed or unhappy and only 35% didn't care or were fine with Voom going away.

As for only 35% calling Dish to complain - that only means that 35% were so mad that even thugh they knew that calling India was useless, they did it anyway.

If you were to poll on your favorite channels, you would find even fewer people actually watch them.
 
The poll here, http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd-discussions/135347-revised-poll-voom-gone-what-now.html, shows 65% are disappointed or unhappy and only 35% didn't care or were fine with Voom going away.

Even though people were unhappy (a lot of which seem to only be unhappy because of the way E* went about this), that poll still shows that 75% aren't switching from Dish. That number becomes 92% when you add in the people who would only switch if D* gets VOOM, which is highly unlikely.

I don't think anyone is telling you that you don't have the right to be upset. But the number of people actually bailing on E* is not what you believe it is.
 
OK, I agree with your definition of 2 years then ('88-'90). But I disagree with your 4-6 years of viability. I could buy or rent Betamax movies in 1977, and I could buy or rent them in 1990.

Betamax also had a life in the late 80's as an audiophile product, as you could record PCM audio to it.

If there's one thing BetaMax vs VHS taught us, it's the ability of Americans to rally around an inferior product just because they're told to.

The fact that you could buy or rent them in 1977 and 1990 does not make them a viable solution for home video recording. It just means they were available, which I did not argue. Betamax in 1990 was far from a viable solution. We are talking about home video recording - it is not "viable" to use Betamax when you can't take it to any friends house and playback what you recorded, unless you plan on dragging your recording/playback equipment with you. If every one of my friends has a VHS VCR, the only viable solution is VHS.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with VOOM, so let's end this convo.
 
Even though people were unhappy (a lot of which seem to only be unhappy because of the way E* went about this), that poll still shows that 75% aren't switching from Dish. That number becomes 92% when you add in the people who would only switch if D* gets VOOM, which is highly unlikely.

I don't think anyone is telling you that you don't have the right to be upset. But the number of people actually bailing on E* is not what you believe it is.

Most people hate change, Dish could do any underhanded thing it wants and 75% of people would not switch from Dish. Dish counts on this :eek:


Me? I have to much invested right now in purchase hardware to just jump up and leave Dishnet. But if one of the other 3 providers pick up Voom.....I will take the Financial hit
 
OK, I agree with your definition of 2 years then ('88-'90). But I disagree with your 4-6 years of viability. I could buy or rent Betamax movies in 1977, and I could buy or rent them in 1990.

Betamax also had a life in the late 80's as an audiophile product, as you could record PCM audio to it.

If there's one thing BetaMax vs VHS taught us, it's the ability of Americans to rally around an inferior product just because they're told to.

Not to hijack the thread, but the HD-DVD vs bluray war taught us the same thing... Go america with inferior (and more expensive) products!
 
Not to hijack the thread, but the HD-DVD vs bluray war taught us the same thing... Go america with inferior (and more expensive) products!

No it didn't. It taught us that corporate overlords are hard to beat. Betamax vs VHS may have been decided by the consumers, however, HD-DVD vs BluRay was decided by the movie studios.
 
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The fact that you could buy or rent them in 1977 and 1990 does not make them a viable solution for home video recording. It just means they were available, which I did not argue. Betamax in 1990 was far from a viable solution. We are talking about home video recording - it is not "viable" to use Betamax when you can't take it to any friends house and playback what you recorded, unless you plan on dragging your recording/playback equipment with you. If every one of my friends has a VHS VCR, the only viable solution is VHS.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with VOOM, so let's end this convo.

OK, but one last point...I always made recordings for MY use. Why on earth would my friend's choice of inferior equipment influence my buying decision? If my recordings are so great that everyone wants to borrow them, then they can buy what I have. :)

That said, my life would certainly be easier if everyone used the same formats for everything. In my office, I have a DVD player, a VHS player, a SuperVHS recorder, two MiniDV decks, 1 HDV deck, 1 Digital8/Hi8 deck, 1 Video-8 deck, 1 Betacam SP recorder, an audio cassette recorder, a 4-track Mini-Disc recorder, 5 DVD burners, a CD burner, and a Pro-HD player. (plays HD-WMV and HD-MPEG-2 files). Oh, and a slide scanner.

And I'm sure I'll be offering Blu-Ray before 2009.
 
Not to hijack the thread, but the HD-DVD vs bluray war taught us the same thing... Go america with inferior (and more expensive) products!

??? How is Blu-Ray inferior to HD-DVD?

I'm honestly asking. For once, I didn't hop on the early adopter bandwagon, so I don't have any experience with either. But on paper, Blu-Ray is better.

I was really surprised at the outcome actually. Not only was Blu-Ray better, but HD-DVD has the simple name recognition. I was sure Blu-Ray would get stomped.
 
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