Thanks. At least there is an option. The vip211k is such a self contained receiver with so many features, I am surprised that Dish did not continue with a newer receiver with the same functions. I have considered buying a spare vip211k as a backup in case mine crashes and I am unable to purchase one at that time. I remember back when the vip211k receiver came out and I got it as it had the HD and I had the option to add the HDD for $40 and no extra monthly fees. Later when our TV translators went to digital, I was able to use the OTA tuner.