Torre is the Worst Manager
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I liked Grady. I liked Tracy as well.Grady Little says "Hi!!"
Let me clarify again for all to read. I do not dislike Torre. He is a good manager in many ways. He is just the worst in managing pitching scenarios during a game. He takes his starters out way to early. This puts an undo burden on the bullpen and this overuse has an effect later in the season when he really needs the bullpen.
Today, Torre pulls Schmidt with a one hit shut out and 87 pitches after 6 innings. This particular time I think it is the right move. He is only making his 3 start in more than 2 years and there is no need to push him too far now.
The issue is, Torre would have probably done the same no matter who was pitching.
The issue is, Torre would have probably done the same no matter who was pitching.
Our newest member, Sherrill, comes in during the 7th with 2 on and no outs. He ends up striking out the side. Welcome to the Dodgers, former O's pitcher.
Yea he must suck, the team with the best record in MLB. Com'on Dodger
Yankees are Dumb for letting him go!
Maybe you should apply for his position.
You guys are not fully comprehending what I am saying, or I am not making it clear enough. Let me reiterate.
Torre is a good manager, especially when it comes to chemistry. I love having his as a manager. Nobody is perfect. And his weakness, if it is his only one, is his managing of starting pitching during a game. He pulls his starters out way too early. This places undue burden on the bullpen which has resulted in overuse and some losses.
Torre is a good manager, especially when it comes to chemistry. I love having his as a manager. Nobody is perfect. And his weakness, if it is his only one, is his managing of starting pitching during a game. He pulls his starters out way too early. This places undue burden on the bullpen which has resulted in overuse and some losses.
Looks like Dusty the Arm Killer strikes again!
August 3, 2009, 1:24 PM ET
Volquez has elbow ligament replaced
CINCINNATI -- Cincinnati Reds right-hander Edinson Volquez underwent elbow ligament-replacement surgery Monday and is expected to miss approximately 12 months, the team said.
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August 3, 2009, 1:24 PM ET
Volquez has elbow ligament replaced
CINCINNATI -- Cincinnati Reds right-hander Edinson Volquez underwent elbow ligament-replacement surgery Monday and is expected to miss approximately 12 months, the team said.
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It's the title of the thread that makes it sound like DodgerKing thinks Torre is the worst manager period...not just pitching.
Sandra
True. The title was meant to grab the readers attention. In the first sentence, within its own paragraph, of the first post, I made it clear that I meant pitching (at least I though I did).It's the title of the thread that makes it sound like DodgerKing thinks Torre is the worst manager period...not just pitching.
Sandra
Did you see Torre put in Jason Schmidt as a pinch hitter for Billingsley last night (cramped up in the 5th)? And he got a HIT! And he SCORED! When you're hot, you're hot!
Billingsley exits with right hamstring cramp | dodgers.com: News
Billingsley exits with right hamstring cramp | dodgers.com: News
That is just like the Angels in the MetroDome this past weekend. Everything they did turned into a run scoring while no matter how hard they tried, Minnesota could not BUY a hit!!!!
Yea but even still a Baseball team that Number 1 in the entire MLB league clearly doesn't have a pitching Issue.It's the title of the thread that makes it sound like DodgerKing thinks Torre is the worst manager period...not just pitching.
Sandra
Like I said Cry when your team is atleast last in your divison, Not First.
OK so last night, in his next start, Kershaw has nothing. Can't throw strikes, looks very tired. I think he was taken out in the fourth or fifth with a ton of pitches. The Brewers announcers wonder if it has something to do with him pitching eight innings in his last start, which reminds me of this thread. Hmmm.
You can bet if Kershaw had gone the distance that night and followed it up with a poor outing last night, Torre would have been blamed for that too. It's very easy to come onto a forum and tell everyone what a manager should have done. Not so easy to manage a baseball team 162 games.
Sandra
Yep, articles and blogs are filled with examples of starters left in too long or the feeling that they were pulled too early during the course of a 162 game season.
It's the "obvious" instances that happen in postseason games that are magnified and are much more important.
Grady, take the ball, please take the ball!!!!
It's the "obvious" instances that happen in postseason games that are magnified and are much more important.
Grady, take the ball, please take the ball!!!!
The Brewers announcers are clueless. Kershaw throughout the year will dominate in some starts and has struggles in others. The 8 innings, which should have been 9, had nothing to do with his struggles this start. He did not make that many pitches in his 8 inning start. In fact, he made fewer than he did in some of his 6 inning starts.
In fact, I would have left him in during the 5th inning last night to see if he could get himself out of the jam. He did during his start against the Angels. They loaded the bases with no outs and he got out of it without a single run scoring. The 4th inning last night was his struggle inning, where he walked 4 batters. The Brewers loaded the bases in the 5th inning with 3 straight seeing eye singles.
I will say this. I did see what makes Torre a good chemistry dugout manager. When the 5th ining ended, Torre went up to console Kershaw and did so in a way that I am sure would have made Kershaw feel a lot better.
