TIVO Edge + Remote TIVO Mini Vox connection FAQ

[TheForce]

The MoCA is for homes that have coax run throughout the house and wish to expand the TIVO DVR. The MoCA is a box you have to purchase.
The Mini VOX uses ethernet to expand the same. Both require hard wire.
I don't believe TIVO offers a wifi capable whole home network. For that you must have the app on your mobile device. You can mix and combine the networks as desired.

There is no way I ever heard of to transceive any DVR content over a TV channel. ( so you can see TIVO content without hardware or an app) You either need hard wire or wifi/ LTE with an app.

This was indeed a challenge for me when I started the project of "cord cutting" I had certain needs so I had to narrow down my choices based on those needs. I even considered two TIVO DVR's but upon further research, learned of the mini vox. My Kitchen TV does not use apps so it was either the Mini VOX with ethernet, or the MoCA with coax. Since I had both, I decided to go with the Mini VOX as it seemed a more advanced system. Running the ethernet cable to the box was just easier than the routing of the coax. My wife claims it is easier to use than the old VIP722.
If more apps comes to the TIVO it will make it better but right now between ATV 4K and theTIVO Edge, I have all I want.

 

[Bruce]

To me it’s different (or would have been a plus) because I already have Rokus at the tvs. I’d have had to buy minis. I would imagine many are far more likely to have rokus laying about than minis .

Plus the cost of the Mini’s is outrageous at $179.99.



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[osu1991]

The TIvo WIFi adapter has been available for a few months now, so you don't need Moca or Ethernet, if one so chooses.

TiVo WiFi 5 USB Adapter

People have tried to side load the tivo mobile app before and it doesn't work well. Tivo used to have a FireTv app that was in beta for years. The certification on it eventually expired and it was deprecated and not touched again. The benefit of having a native firetv, roku or androidTV app is not having to shell out nearly $200 to have tivo access in a room that gets minimal use. Also being able to use it in a hotel while traveling instead of being tied to the phone or tablet.

I know some have been able to get PC access to stream out of the home, but it has never worked for me with a Roamio and Tivo Stream or with 2 Bolts that have built in streaming. The mobile apps work and it's nice that the iOS app finally got cellular streaming enabled in the December update last month, but PC streaming out of the home is hit and miss. Mostly miss.

 

[TheForce]

Plus the cost of the Mini’s is outrageous at $179.99.

Well, there is that. But I considered what I paid Dishnetwork and the entire TIVO system was cheaper. The worst was Dish's first DVR, the 921, I believe it was called that I paid $1000 for. And then they obsoleted it and I had to get a VIP 622 that cost more. But back then we didn't have choices like today.

You do know that it is not TIVO that decides to add the app to other manufacturer's products. If you have a VIzio TV or a Samsung, it's those companies that decide what apps will be allowed on their TV's. TIVO decides what apps run on a TIVO.

 

[lparsons21]

But Tivo doesn’t develop those apps. The ones that are on Tivos are also old versions for the most part. Lastly, Tivos retail business isn’t all that big, their biggest market is providing boxes to the cable industry, and in that case, the cable companies have input as to what apps will go on their boxes.


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[Bruce]

Well, there is that. But I considered what I paid Dishnetwork and the entire TIVO system was cheaper.

Same for me with You Tube TV, came to realize everything we were watching was the Main Networks, News and Food Network (wife), Netflix, Hulu and now Disney, spending $50 a month was a waste, even the cable shows we watched were on the Streaming Services by the time we got around to watching them.

9 months of not paying for YTTV covered what I payed for the Tablo Quad, HD and the Lifetime Guide.
News is handled by the Evening News on the Networks and CBSN on the Roku if on during the day.
Food Network Catalog Library is on Hulu which makes the wife happy.

You do know that it is not TIVO that decides to add the app to other manufacturer's products. If you have a VIzio TV or a Samsung, it's those companies that decide what apps will be allowed on their TV's. TIVO decides what apps run on a TIVO.

That may be so, but Tivo is who develops it and this is what they said-

A year ago at CES, TiVo demonstrated how popular OTT devices, such as Roku and Apple TV, could let users enjoy access the content on the TiVo DVR in their living room from other rooms in the house, or out of the home.

But this week at CES 2020, a Ted Malone, VP of products and services for TiVo, conceded that apps for OTT players are no where close to being deployed.


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[lparsons21]

For me, the Tivo is for watching cable now and OTA at some future date. The apps are mostly 2nd rate IMO and are flaky in operations. For instance, Netflix almost always reports having a problem streaming a show if I run it on my Tivo, but yet I can switch to a different box and all is good.

So Tivo for linear TV, AppleTV or some other box for everything else. And most likely when I switch to streaming/OTA there won’t be a subscription to a cable/sat replacement service as it just isn’t needed.


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[TheForce]

Lloyd- The private label business doesn't pertain to us retail market. So let's not confuse the topic with what TIVO does for commercial production.

TheBruce-
Actually I got it straight from TIVO that they do develop the apps for TIVO. But for other TV manufacturers, they just write the specifications and then the TV company will implement the app so it works on their TV. There is also a license in play. For example, Samsung lost their contract with Hulu for the app on their K8500 player last summer. They decided not to renew it so I lost Hulu. I called Hulu and they referred me to Samsung as it was Samsung's decision to drop the app they developed for the player. License expired. Trying to talk to Samsung is nearly impossible. Usually, this type of information is better accessed at NAB or CES. Since retiring from the business, I don't attend anymore.

Regardless of the work flow, I try to not buy based on promises of future developments, but rather what I can do now with the system. Let it be a lesson to all that basing a purchase on a promise of future product will most likely disappoint you.

 

[harshness]

Not a issue in my house, we have 2 routers, one upstairs in bridge mode and just bought myself a new router for the basement, but the 2 main TVs are wired, but I never have a issue with Wi-Fi.

One data point out of somewhere around 20 million homes with OTA set up. It amazes me how many think that their home and preferences are substantially representative of everyone else's.

 

[lparsons21]

Regardless of what Tivo may tell anyone, their talk and their actions aren’t always really close to being the same.


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[harshness]

To me it’s different (or would have been a plus) because I already have Rokus at the tvs. I’d have had to buy minis. I would imagine many are far more likely to have rokus laying about than minis .

This is where TiVo is suffering from their proprietary system. Why by a streamer that only does a subset of what one might want (and apparently not very well), when there are options with much broader capability. Having a TiVo DVR with their service really isn't enough anymore. The Fire TV Recast is perhaps making the same mistake (by only allowing Fire TV streaming devices) but at least it does so with clients that are considerably more utile than the Mini Vox with its minimal app library.

 

[harshness]

Let it be a lesson to all that basing a purchase on a promise of future product will most likely disappoint you.

You've never bought an Apple device before a feature or app that was important to you had been released?

 

[Bruce]

One data point out of somewhere around 20 million homes with OTA set up. It amazes me how many think that their home and preferences are substantially representative of everyone else's.

As usual you challenge then you change the subject, this time with how good my wifi is, I answered and then you bring up OTA, but I will answer.

20 Million is what they might be up to now and that number has been going up the last few years, but I have no doubt that a lot more can get their TV OTA but do not bother, as PayTV continues their losses( 6 million so far this year with the 4th Quarter yet to be reported) more people will figure out if they can get OTA or not.

Then we have the younger people that do not care and get everything from Streaming Sources ( my ‘kids’ are 30 and 25 this year and they watch primarily Netflix and those crappy videos on You Tube, they care nothing about any Traditional ways of watching TV)

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[harshness]

As usual you challenge then you change the subject, this time with how good my wifi is, I answered and then you bring up OTA, but I will answer.

I'm not challenging how good your Wi-fi is. What I'm challenging is your inference that most people's Wi-fi is comparable to yours.

Further, many are saddled with whatever gateway their broadband provider has given them and they lack the skills or inclination to improve upon it.

 

[TheForce]

You've never bought an Apple device before a feature or app that was important to you had been released?

No!

Putting on my memory cap- The last time I did buy any product on future promise was a Kick starter 3D camera 3 years ago and it still hasn't delivered. Paid $150 to be on the first to receive.
Before that it was for a SCSI hard drive card almost 33 years ago. They never added features promised. Went out of business.

 

[harshness]

I thought I recall you going on about some sort of heart rate monitoring software that wasn't going to be available at the time of the phone's release.

 

[TheForce]

I thought I recall you going on about some sort of heart rate monitoring software that wasn't going to be available at the time of the phone's release.

I thought I made it clear I have heart pulse monitoring since the first Apple watch. I bought the AW4 when they announced it would have EKG capability and detect AFIB. That worked out of the gate. Its actually rare that Apple talks about a feature before it is released. I can't think of any. What the release is demoed in the announcement as well as the date you can get it. I don't recall them having to delay release because something isn't ready.

Of course that's not true for TIVO. I'm waiting for the Edge Vudu app.

 

[foghorn2]

I thought I made it clear I have heart pulse monitoring since the first Apple watch. I bought the AW4 when they announced it would have EKG capability and detect AFIB. That worked out of the gate. Its actually rare that Apple talks about a feature before it is released. I can't think of any. What the release is demoed in the announcement as well as the date you can get it. I don't recall them having to delay release because something isn't ready.

Of course that's not true for TIVO. I'm waiting for the Edge Vudu app.

The VuDu app, which already exists on the older models, has tons of free ad supported content way more than TiVo +. Maybe thats why the app is not on it and I bet, never will be.

 

[TheForce]

The VuDu app, which already exists on the older models, has tons of free ad supported content way more than TiVo +. Maybe thats why the app is not on it and I bet, never will be.

Sorry but your statement is not based on direct knowledge but uninformed speculation. The Vudu App is already on the Edge but it is not active due to some remaining issues that needs to be finished. The app can be accessed via the Mini Vox connected to the Edge but not the Edge directly. I don't claim to know what the problems are but it's not that the Vudu app isn't on the system, it is and I have access to it through the Mini and it is working fine.

You are not the only one who makes bets on what TIVO "will never do" and already lost the bet. My advice- never bet real money or you will go broke.

 

[Derwin0]

The VuDu app, which already exists on the older models, has tons of free ad supported content way more than TiVo +. Maybe thats why the app is not on it and I bet, never will be.

Doesn't explain why it's been on the Bolt for quite a while.