Tired of "Digital Service"

[osu1991]

I doubt Dish makes anything off locals, by the time they pay the local channel owners and pay for the costs of getting the locals signal to the uplink facility to send to the satellites. They may make some on the smaller markets with only 3 or 4 channels, but the markets with 8-20 or more local channels, probably not.

As has been said PM a DIRT member or email dishquality. Yes they should be providing the guide info or allow the psip data to be processed on the channels they don't provide guide data.

 

[Mr Tony]

One thing I'll mention is it seems like if the station numbering doesn't match the OTA in some cases it wont show properly

We have that issue in Minneapolis.
The 2nd PBS is on Dish as 17 (that was the analog spot). When the digital conversion took place it moved to 2-3. Dish carries it on 17 but has no guide info on 2-3
Also an Independent station (45) is now on digital 5-2. Dish doesnt carry the OTA guide info

As been noted a few times yeah it sucks that Dish has ignored the OTA guide info for subchannels and even some "main" chanenls

on a side note....why the heck does Dish put your fox station (49) as 5 on the sat locals? Usually the only time dish uses a different number is if its a subchannel (like if Fox was a subchannel on say CBS.)

 

[osu1991]

We get all of our guide data in Tulsa except for MeTv on our Fox subchannel and there is no guide info for the TBN mux of channels out of Bartlesville. TBN is blocked out of my guide, but MeTv would be helpful

 

[Fancydog]

Not just the sub channel guides. Fox, 49-1 is a broadcast station, which Dish provides via satellite with guide info, but OTA shows up as "Digital Service".

 

[Neutron]

Not just the sub channel guides. Fox, 49-1 is a broadcast station, which Dish provides via satellite with guide info, but OTA shows up as "Digital Service".

When I was able to somewhat get some of our locals OTA this is what was happening with two of the big 4 OTA. It's up to DISH to provide that guide info. There's a sticky somewhere that people would post what's showing up as Digital Service and I think DISH used to look at it but I don't think they care any more.

 

[Fancydog]

One thing I'll mention is it seems like if the station numbering doesn't match the OTA in some cases it wont show properly

We have that issue in Minneapolis.
The 2nd PBS is on Dish as 17 (that was the analog spot). When the digital conversion took place it moved to 2-3. Dish carries it on 17 but has no guide info on 2-3
Also an Independent station (45) is now on digital 5-2. Dish doesnt carry the OTA guide info

As been noted a few times yeah it sucks that Dish has ignored the OTA guide info for subchannels and even some "main" chanenls

on a side note....why the heck does Dish put your fox station (49) as 5 on the sat locals? Usually the only time dish uses a different number is if its a subchannel (like if Fox was a subchannel on say CBS.)

Beats me. Has something to do with the new owner of Fox, built new station (with repeaters) in Springfield MO area, already had broadcast license for California station ch 5, so Fox 49-1 shows up as 5 in Dish guide. Thats the readers digest version, its much more involved. Call sign locally is KRBK.

 

[MikeD-C05]

Nope they do not. You have to rely on the OTA Guide Data that Dish has uplinked for that specific market. When its not uplinked the user receives the "Digital Service" message on those channels. PSIP data provided from the station is not supported on any recent Dish receivers (VIP Series, Hopper, etc).

I've suggested that they use the PSIP data from the ota stations for the sub channels and carry the Big 4 networks on the satellite ,but I 've never received a response to it. I think it would save the satellite company money and room on the satellite and the customers would get some kind of guide data on their sub channels. A win/win.

 

[GaryPen]

The thing that pisses me off the most, is that most of that info is out there. Tribune has it. It's only a matter of making a small change to some bit of software somewhere.

I stand by my argument that it's most likely a cultural thing of not wanting to spend any time or effort making it easier for subscribers to find alternatives to Dish-provided programming.

 

[Fancydog]

The thing that pisses me off the most, is that most of that info is out there. Tribune has it. It's only a matter of making a small change to some bit of software somewhere.

I stand by my argument that it's most likely a cultural thing of not wanting to spend any time or effort making it easier for subscribers to find alternatives to Dish-provided programming.

Agree. When it becomes a PITA is when Dish only provides a SD version of the CW network (KCZ 015-00) with guide info, while the HD version is HD OTA as a sub channel (CW 33-2) which shows as "Digital Service". E-mails to DIRT and qualityservices have gotten zero results.

On a side note, handsome dog.

 

[Tampa8]

The thing that pisses me off the most, is that most of that info is out there. Tribune has it. It's only a matter of making a small change to some bit of software somewhere.

I stand by my argument that it's most likely a cultural thing of not wanting to spend any time or effort making it easier for subscribers to find alternatives to Dish-provided programming.

I would agree except locals are provided with most all packages anyway. Not wanting to make the effort would be hard to argue, not so sure about easier to find alternatives, not like you save any money by getting them OTA. (Perhaps indirectly by not needing another receiver, not a likely reason to me)

 

[comfortably_numb]

As a former DirecTV subscriber, I can say that I'm happy that at least Dish allows us to have ALL of our OTA stations. My old HR24 and HR22's with the AM21 OTA tuner were missing stations that weren't "hard coded" into the tuner. Switching to Dish gave me all of my local PBS stations and more with their OTA tuner. I'll take the lack of guide info over not having the station at all. Just sayin'.

 

[dishrich]

As a former DirecTV subscriber, I can say that I'm happy that at least Dish allows us to have ALL of our OTA stations. My old HR24 and HR22's with the AM21 OTA tuner were missing stations that weren't "hard coded" into the tuner. Switching to Dish gave me all of my local PBS stations and more with their OTA tuner. I'll take the lack of guide info over not having the station at all. Just sayin'.

2nd that BIG TIME; although it's ALSO BS that E* can't/won't update OTA anymore!!! (or so it appears anyway...)