I respect your opinion of the PQ, thats your right. But let me ask, what do you think when people say(and many have) that the new MPEG 4 stuff is as good as or very, very close to FIOS pq? Have u seen them both?
this is what you call HD? seriously?
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this is what you call HD? seriously?
You're absolutely right, you are entitled to your opinion, but if that's the case, why did you resond to donnie0328 so harshly by implying that he was blind because he didn't agree with your opinion?
Isn't he entitled to his opinion also, or does it go like 2nd Avenue in NYC, only one way?
You're absolutely right, you are entitled to your opinion, but if that's the case, why did you resond to donnie0328 so harshly by implying that he was blind because he didn't agree with your opinion?
Isn't he entitled to his opinion also, or does it go like 2nd Avenue in NYC, only one way?
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glad to see im not the only one with some complaints.
i understand what you guys are saying about the dtv & dish only being providers. im still gonna call them and "complain." if they dont know the consumers are not happy with the product they will never feel the need to contact the channel providers and tell them they need to pony up the good stuff. i have it on tbs"hd" right now. the king of queens is on. i could be watching it on a tube tv on rabbit ears and it would seriously look better. i feel if its not true "hd" do not advertise it as hd.
and to the guy that asked if my tv was hooked up right... are you kiddin me?
after a couple of days with it, i think its acceptable for the time being. problem is i really dont do a lot of movie channel watching and that is where the really good looking stuff is. if i want to see a movie ill just get it on high def or dvd. i really wanted all these new hd channels they just launched to look good because thats what my wife and i watch a lot.
thanks for the comments and discussion. glad to see this is a pretty levelheaded forum. a lot of them out there turns into arguments three of four posts into the thread.
i understand what you guys are saying about the dtv & dish only being providers. im still gonna call them and "complain." if they dont know the consumers are not happy with the product they will never feel the need to contact the channel providers and tell them they need to pony up the good stuff. i have it on tbs"hd" right now. the king of queens is on. i could be watching it on a tube tv on rabbit ears and it would seriously look better. i feel if its not true "hd" do not advertise it as hd.
and to the guy that asked if my tv was hooked up right... are you kiddin me?
after a couple of days with it, i think its acceptable for the time being. problem is i really dont do a lot of movie channel watching and that is where the really good looking stuff is. if i want to see a movie ill just get it on high def or dvd. i really wanted all these new hd channels they just launched to look good because thats what my wife and i watch a lot.
thanks for the comments and discussion. glad to see this is a pretty levelheaded forum. a lot of them out there turns into arguments three of four posts into the thread.
While your TV is obviously hooked up right, a lot of the picture quality issues are with set adjustments which are normally set to torch mode at the factory. The next time HDNet runs their test pattern, record it and set your brightness/contrast to where you can barely see the "0" and the "10" on the first screen, then set your sharpness and noise reduction so you see no edge enhancement on the black screen with white lines. Setting up an HD television just isn't that easy without a good test pattern. Once you've made the adjustments, if you still have picture issues start calling your provider or looking for a different set.
Could you give us an example of this?
Sure, a lot of channels look like crap. I'll pick on TBS HD. I've done my share of bitching about the stretch-o-vision, such as this channel airing an SD version of Vegas Vacation stretched out, but I've yet to see anybody attempt to zoom in on SD and try to pull it off as HD. 'Zoom in' is the wrong way to put it. They are stretching the SD 4:3 to 16x9, not zooming in on a 16x9 area of SD 4:3.
I have 2 providers (Dish and BHN), as well as an HD-DVD player and while neither provider is as good as HD-DVD (or Bluray), it is certainly not as bad a picture as you are painting it. I think there may be something wrong with your configuration or your expectations for brand new HD channels are too high.
Do you have nothing good to say about any of this? Maybe you should switch to Dish, where there are several good channels that are well established with 24/7 HD programming. These channels are called Voom. Yep, Voom... they have a bad rap for repeats but they are HD all day and all night. I rather enjoy some of them.
i had my tv professionally calibrated. 
with the zoom... just look at maybe the science channel, tbshd... one of the newer added channels. you can tell the channel is zoomed in on because the text at the bottom of the screen saying someone's name or info or whatever is hanging halfway off the screen, or credits are not scrolling properly or whatever. also you can see that some shots are just not right. the tops of people's heads are hanging out of the shot or someone that should be in the shot is half way out to the side.
with the zoom... just look at maybe the science channel, tbshd... one of the newer added channels. you can tell the channel is zoomed in on because the text at the bottom of the screen saying someone's name or info or whatever is hanging halfway off the screen, or credits are not scrolling properly or whatever. also you can see that some shots are just not right. the tops of people's heads are hanging out of the shot or someone that should be in the shot is half way out to the side.
i had my tv professionally calibrated.
with the zoom... just look at maybe the science channel, tbshd... one of the newer added channels. you can tell the channel is zoomed in on because the text at the bottom of the screen saying someone's name or info or whatever is hanging halfway off the screen, or credits are not scrolling properly or whatever. also you can see that some shots are just not right. the tops of people's heads are hanging out of the shot or someone that should be in the shot is half way out to the side.
TBS is about the poorest example of HD available .....
Have you seen A&E , Smithsonian, Food Network, that type of stuff ?
I am waiting for ESPN 's to go MPEG4, then I will be happy !
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He's speaking of what DISH has done, so far as I have seen, there has been no confirmation as to bit rates and so forth on the new MPEG4 channels.
I can clearly see the difference between mpeg2 and 4, so why would this not be the same difference.
Most mpeg4 look awesome on actual HD programming, I do believe that ESPN's will show actual HD programming .
Jimbo
I can clearly see the difference between mpeg2 and 4, so why would this not be the same difference.
Most mpeg4 look awesome on actual HD programming, I do believe that ESPN's will show actual HD programming .
Jimbo
It could very well be much better. Resolution is only one of the factors that effect PQ. Over compression will in most cases have a much larger impact on what you see than a few pixels here or there, and using Mpeg 4 versus mpeg 2 will allow the picture to be compressed much more efficiently therefore improving the picture.
Dont let the rez numbers fool ya
First, 720p is 1280x720, not 1280x1024. Second, the encoding or compression scheme MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 has nothing to do with resolution as such. The encoding allows you to get a given signal of any resolution into a smaller bandwidth. MPEG-4 achieves higher compression than MPEG-2 for the same quality, so you need less bandwidth for the same quality picture. To get more channels into a given bandwidth, providers sometimes reduce the resolution so there is less data to compress (hence the 1440x1080 resolution on Dish, and the so-called "HD-lite" on DirecTV). But some DirecTV channels even on the old satellites have been transmitting 1920x1080 (full resolution 1080i) and it looks like many/all of the new HD channels are transmitting the same. This is nothing to do with MPEG-2 vs MPEG-4, you can transmit 1920x1080 using either compression scheme, it's just that the MPEG-4 signals take up less bandwidth.
Sports and HD are made fore each other. Football in HD spoils you and is hard to watch any other way.
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