" the wheels are falling off of satellite TV"

All this about Spectrum is moot anyway. As was opined earlier in the thread caps are coming. Even if this 7 year delay is accurate for Spectrum almost 2 years have passed already so that's about 5 or so more years max. And that doesn't mean that all the rest of the big providers won't institute caps whenever they want to.

Does anybody really think they'll continue to get a free ride from the mega corps?
 
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Does anybody really think they'll continue to get a free ride from the mega corps?
No, and until real competition and free market comes into play instead of the monopoly conglomerates and mergers we have now, the consumer will always lose.

Does anybody really think we have a free market, competition and consumer choice here?
 
No, and until real competition and free market comes into play instead of the monopoly conglomerates and mergers we have now, the consumer will always lose.

Does anybody really think we have a free market, competition and consumer choice here?
Unless someone how we can have competition without every provider building his own infrastructure (poles,cables etc) ..monopoly is the only real possibility
 
Unless someone how we can have competition without every provider building his own infrastructure (poles,cables etc) ..monopoly is the only real possibility

unless they dereg it like elec and phone
where any provider can use the infrastructure, with a fee to the builder of course
never was 100% sure how all that works
 
In cities it isn't that hard to have competition. Where I live, a medium sized suburban neighborhood, I have access to:

Frontier VDSL2: up to 24/2 (no caps)
Spectrum DOCSIS 3: up to 300/10 (no caps)
AT&T Fiber: up to 1000/1000 (no caps for gig or if you also have a TV subscription)

I can see it would be harder in rural areas, although fixed broadband should help some.
 
I can see it would be harder in rural areas, although fixed broadband should help some.

if fixed broadband ever goes nationwide for a decent price
the best one i have seen the is att one, but the cap is still low (160gb)
 
if fixed broadband ever goes nationwide for a decent price
the best one i have seen the is att one, but the cap is still low (160gb)

I actually expect fixed broadband competition to take off in the coming years, especially as T-Mobile deploys all their 600Mhz spectrum. Yeah, it is not perfect, but it will be better than what a lot of people have now.
 
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Data caps is certainly a thing.. but I don’t think it’ll stop the cord-cutting phenomenon that we’re seeing now. Right now these OTT providers are skimming the top layer of people off that don’t watch TV that much. As these OTT providers get better and more reliable, it’ll interesting how these 2 forces collide. Something tells me it won’t be on the side of consumers.

I won’t even get into the idea that the whole data cap argument that ISPs put forth is complete garbage. There’s one reason why data caps exist.
 
unless they dereg it like elec and phone
where any provider can use the infrastructure, with a fee to the builder of course
never was 100% sure how all that works
Way back when phones first Came out..they had multiple providers on same pole...it was very ugly to see that many wires running down a street..(early 1900's)..competition only worked in cities..eventually states set up exclusive franchises that companies were supposed to compete for..but att bought up all the good ones
 
Way back when phones first Came out..they had multiple providers on same pole...it was very ugly to see that many wires running down a street..(early 1900's)..competition only worked in cities..eventually states set up exclusive franchises that companies were supposed to compete for..but att bought up all the good ones

but even now you can buy your elec from someone other than the provider, the provider of course still distributes it
 
Open market competition works. Case in point: Verizon. The only reason they now offer an unlimited data plan is because of market pressure.
Competition or collusion? I remember not long ago when all the providers dropped unlimited data after one of them did. It's an ebb and flow process.
 
Competition or collusion? I remember not long ago when all the providers dropped unlimited data after one of them did. It's an ebb and flow process.
The networks couldn't handle it..needed to be beefed up...video is very data intensive
 
Competition or collusion? I remember not long ago when all the providers dropped unlimited data after one of them did. It's an ebb and flow process.

Sure, if you want to call market forces "collusion," that works. They all react in-kind to each other because that's how the market works. Unless you're T-Mobile, then you're a market disrupter.
 
So, I will say that Craig Moffett is a bit of an dolt. For years he said that cord cutting was not a real thing. Now he is saying the sky is falling. He did a 180 about a year ago IIRC. IMHO, in both cases he is taking extreme positions which are not supported by facts. Yes, satellite companies are not doing as well as they might like, and, yes, losses will probably continue, but they aren't going away any time soon.
 
So, I will say that Craig Moffett is a bit of an dolt. For years he said that cord cutting was not a real thing. Now he is saying the sky is falling. He did a 180 about a year ago IIRC. IMHO, in both cases he is taking extreme positions which are not supported by facts. Yes, satellite companies are not doing as well as they might like, and, yes, losses will probably continue, but they aren't going away any time soon.

Fake news? ;)
 
4K for over the air broadcasting is going to take ATSC 3.0 to work. There is only one transmitter in the USA, today, that is capable of that and there are no tuners for the general public to receive that transmission. Everyone, broadcasters and the public, will need to invest in new equipment to make it work. Your 4K TV is not capable of receiving an ATSC 3.0 signal today and there is no firmware fix to make that happen. You will need, when it may become available, an external receiver to be able to see OTA 4K. Or, a new TV when they may become available. It is not as simple as you seem to think it is.

ATSC 3.0 - Wikipedia
And will many OTA broadcasters actually send out a 4K signal? I don't think that they will. It will make more economic sense to offer multiple HD channels (with HDR) using the same bandwidth as a single 4K channel.
How ATSC 3 Changes Broadcasting for the Better (It's Not Just 4K) - Studio Daily
Broadcasters will have quite a bit of latitude to decide what to do with their ATSC channels. Friedel said a single 6 MGz ATSC 3.0 channel has 36 "capacity units." (That's almost a threefold increase over the original ATSC spec, which offered 13 capacity units.) That means an ATSC 3.0 channel can hold a single UHD program, multiple HD programs (they take up six or 12 units each, depending on frame rate), or up to 36 SD programs.

It's not enough capacity, however, that bandwidth will not remain a primary concern. And that might mean that the future of broadcasting is not in UHD at all, but in high dynamic range (HDR) — or, rather, in what broadcasters are calling "HDR+".

HDR is mostly thought of as a 4K technology, since the first TV sets to enable it are UHD models, but there is no good reason HD content can't be encoded in HDR, then upres'd to 4K by the TV set. That's where HDR+ comes in. It's an HD-resolution stream that features HDR, wide color gamut, and 10-bit color depth (to eliminate the color banding that is arguably the most unsightly characteristic of HDTV images). Matthew Goldman, SVP of Technology, Media and Entertainment at Ericsson, said the increased payload when HDR+ content is delivered to consumers is at most 20% more than a standard HD stream, while HFR (60p to 120p) could require a 30% increase in bandwidth to the home and 4K can increase the required bandwidth by as much as 250%.

"If you want to get the best bang for the bit, what are you going to do?" Goldman asked the audience rhetorically. "I think you should look at doing 1080p HDR+. If you have the bandwidth, do the 4K. But if you don't have it, seriously, take a look at this. You can get, for a small increase in bandwidth, a much better user experience."
 
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