The True HD era has come to an end and the HD Lite era will continue!

[Stargazer]

That is probably the only way that Dish Network can get back to you in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Gary Murrell]

There hasn't been squat done to any of the 10 Voom on 61.5 or 129 since the day they were changed over, that is as of 2:15 AM eastern, i'm sorry but I dont really believe this BS from Dish

-Gary

 

[SummitAdvantageRetailer]

I dropped them too. I am now with Direct TV and their Wonderful real Latino Packages with real Latin American TV stations. From Tierra del Fuego all the way up to Montezuma Land. To include a couple of Caribbean Islands.
Dish network VP for programing a so call Hispanic Jew has his head all the way up his 4th point of contact. There is the reason why they are loosing lots of Latino Customers. To give them the shot of grace. They do not even carry AzTeca America TV. Go figure!!! :
PS. I hope they stop calling. LIKE HELL I am coming Back!!!!!!!!!!!!

D* doesn't EVEN have TV Azteca. No Centroamerica TV either. In my town, E*'s the way to go if you have decent credit and D* to go if you have no social security #. So I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic. The Latino programming customers still favor DISH over DirecTV by a large margin (around here). I'll have to say that the margin has gotten steadily smaller over the past year with some channel acquisitions like TV Columbia and only $150/$200 credit fee requirement for up to 4 receivers. But anyway, that's all I'll say about that.

With regards to this topic, how come I don't see anybody else say that they'd rather have downrezzzed picture quality in exchange for more HD channels right away? I mean, I for one, would not since the rest of the Voom and ESPN 2 HD isn't worth the quality sacrifice but I'm surprised I haven't seen that side of the camp voiced yet.

 

[ocnier]

First off with your joking ocnier why bother? West and East coast feeds, aside from local HD channels are a bloody waste. Sure I like seeing something I missed on the West feed of a national channel but it isn't going to kill me and I say tough sh*t to all the West Coasters who would whine about it. I don't have a DVR and I'm certainly not going to bitch terribly if Dish would dump Nick West, Disney Channel West, TMC and TMC Xtra West and so on. I should shut up and get over it because DVR's exist and the East/West coast feed issue is mute now considering them.
Seriously if Dish would dump these maybe I could see true HD on the movie channels. I say dump HBO2 W and HBO W if that would free up needed space though I admit I'd LOVE to get HBO Zone. I mean think of it this way, you pull those HBO channels, put the 110 one's on the 119 to free up space for HBO-HD, same for Showtime HD. Also besides the movie channels maybe enough space could be freed up maybe not to deal with the VOOM problem but we could see INHD and INHD2 added or one of those even.
In terms of people mentioning bandwidth I don't see the problem since Dish isn't the satellite provider that has to shut off all their PPV to carry HD Sunday Ticket.
Oh yeah and in terms of VOOM I WAS planning on getting it but screw that now. I'm really disappointing seeing Dish going the way of FoxTV. Some Korean channels get taken from Dish and now they make this dumb move. I will be very bitter if Dish doesn't fix Monsters considering about the only other channel, NON HD, that would fill my gills for Horror and even then it has to SHARE time, is Showtime Beyond.

I stand by the final coment " good luck" with ole Charlie. YOU WILL truly need it with that guy. I wish you the best, but E*'s track record speaks for itself. You be the judge. You can always hope for MPEG 4 progress.

 

[Stargazer]

You can fool part of the people part of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Charlie is the judge, not you nor I, unless you judge with the wallet. There is a line to draw. The question is how far are we close to the line for most of the consumers? I think the problem is that the consumers dont know how great True HD is, just what the provider offers. To the consumer THAT is the best they can get.

 

[richmert]

D* doesn't EVEN have TV Azteca. No Centroamerica TV either. In my town, E*'s the way to go if you have decent credit and D* to go if you have no social security #. So I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic. The Latino programming customers still favor DISH over DirecTV by a large margin (around here). I'll have to say that the margin has gotten steadily smaller over the past year with some channel acquisitions like TV Columbia and only $150/$200 credit fee requirement for up to 4 receivers. But anyway, that's all I'll say about that.
With regards to this topic, how come I don't see anybody else say that they'd rather have downrezzzed picture quality in exchange for more HD channels right away? I mean, I for one, would not since the rest of the Voom and ESPN 2 HD isn't worth the quality sacrifice but I'm surprised I haven't seen that side of the camp voiced yet.

i agree with summit. there were only a few channels i even watched on VOOM but they were worth it last week. now when i turn on the monster channel and see soft edges and no detail i dont even bother watching anymore. i used to watch old black and white monster movies because of the incredible detail and clarity. now i cant even watch it. if that is what quantity brings they can keep it. give me the old monster and equator channel and no new channels until you can figure out how to make them all quality channels.

normally i am constanly scanning monster and equator to see what is on but tonight i watched monday night football. CBS HD and my local PBS HD like i did before VOOM existed. oh and i watched the nothing but trailers show on HDNET. that looked good. i dont think that one changed.

well i have been with E* for a long time but i am kind of enjoying good quality HD so i guess whoever delivers it first and best will get my business. although i am hoping E* will do the right thing.

 

[RIRWIN1983]

To translate the responce below goes as follows.

Dear Stupid Dish Slave,

While we apreciate you and half of america contacting us regarding the dog sh*t pictury quality we are forcing you to see. We just dont give a crap! Seeing how most of our subs arnt as smart as you, they wont discover a difference. and for the rest, well thats 5 truck loads of bs.

Sincerly Screwing You,

Eco(nomy)Star SateLITE, LLC

Hey guys check this out....I got a reply back
Dear Mr. Wenzloff,
Thank you for expressing your concerns and interest in DISH Network. Customer input is an important tool in our efforts to continuously improve the quality of the DISH Network service.
We have received numerous complaints on the VOOM HD package. We would like to thank you for pointing out this information. We have confirmed and are aware of picture quality issues on several of the VOOM channels. Our engineering staff is working towards a resolution. This may take some time to troubleshoot and finalize.
The issue of HD picture quality is always a difficult one. Some of our HD customers want more programming while others want better quality. In general, DISH Network provides HD content in whatever format we receive from the providers. You can rest assured that DISH Network is listening to you. We are constantly striving to provide you with the best A/V quality and variety of programming. With fast changing HD technology, we ask that you be patient. We will continue to make efforts to raise the bar for our customers.
At DISH Network we appreciate the time customers take to email their audio/video quality concerns. Thank you for your patience, information, and for being a valued customer!
EchoStar Satellite LLC
Quality Assurance Department
dishquality@echostar.com

 

[Gary Murrell]

as of 4:00AM no change of anything Voom, what a joke!! Dish was feeding everyone a bunch of BS

-Gary

 

[Sarang]

I for one really look forward to East/West HD feed for national networks. I have them now in SD (plus CBS-HD East). You get different NFL game choices. And it is nice to get live news from the East feeds two hours before they are replayed in Mountain zone.

I'm primarily referring to the sh*t like Disney W, Nick W, TMC W, etc.

 

[riffjim4069]

Well when the voom channels were on voom they were "HD-Lite" with only being 1440x1080i. If dish went from 1280 to 1440 would that make you happy

If memory serves, they were initially 1920x1080i but were dropped down to 1440x1080i due to TP space limitations on Rainbow-1. The assumption was that all HD would go back to 1920x1080i once they were using the SES Americom bird in conjunction with MPEG-4, the bigger dish, and their infamous HD DVR/Whole Home Networking solution.

I certainly understand TP space limitations and may be willing to deal with VOOM-Lite for the short-term just as long as EchoStar would go on record stating the following intent:

"Dish Network is proud to bring you all 21 VOOM HD Network Originals starting in January. Unlike our competition, Dish Network is known for providing both the most AND highest quality HD possible to you, our loyal subscriber. However, due to space limitation on our existing fleet of satellites, we are forced to downrez the VOOM channels until more space is made available. While the VOOM channels will not "technically" be true High Definition, the picture quality will still be excellent and, in fact, only the most discerning eye will be able to tell the difference. Rest assured that downrezzing of VOOM HD is a temporary solution. Dish Network is working to add a state-of-the-art satellite, EchoStar10, to it's existing fleet of satellites and we hope to place it into service during the summer. Once EchoStar10 is fully tested and operation, it is our goal to restore all VOOM channels to full bitrate High Definition for your entertainment enjoyment. Thank you and blah, blah, blah."

 

[vurbano]

IMO the extra 172,800 pixels that 1440x1080i provided over 1280x1080i makes a big difference, at least on my set, especially since most with RPTV's can only resolve around 1600x1080i.

 

[DWS44]

"Dish Network is proud to bring you all 21 VOOM HD Network Originals starting in January. Unlike our competition, Dish Network is known for providing both the most AND highest quality HD possible to you, our loyal subscriber. However, due to space limitation on our existing fleet of satellites, we are forced to downrez the VOOM channels until more space is made available. While the VOOM channels will not "technically" be true High Definition, the picture quality will still be excellent and, in fact, only the most discerning eye will be able to tell the difference. Rest assured that downrezzing of VOOM HD is a temporary solution. Dish Network is working to add a state-of-the-art satellite, EchoStar10, to it's existing fleet of satellites and we hope to place it into service during the summer. Once EchoStar10 is fully tested and operation, it is our goal to restore all VOOM channels to full bitrate High Definition for your entertainment enjoyment. Thank you and blah, blah, blah."

The only problem with this idea is that, once E* starts downrezzing all the HD (which they obviously have started doing), then what incentive will they have to STOP downrezzing them and restore PQ, considering that it is already standard operating procedure at D*?

 

[Gary Murrell]

That is my very worry , it starts with Voom and then moves to the HD Pak and HBO/Showtime

-Gary

 

[John Kotches]

Gary,

Earlier you posted a 200% zoom of a small portion of one frame.

Can you post the full frames please?

CHeers,

 

[blueaurora]

The picture quality was nothing compared to Cable HD anyways. I have had both. This just strengthen's my resolve to stay with cable.

Good job Guys way to think out of the box real good corporate downsizing mentality (I mean who actually wants an all around quality product anyways!)

>0(

Edit: Who the hell changed my avitar?! Liberal hacking panzies!

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Edit: Who the hell changed my avitar?! Liberal hacking panzies!

Re upload it. When we moved to the new software we did not have the avatar size specified so it defaulted to 80 x 80 and squished many of the users avatars when it imported them.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Testing Email Notification please ignore.

 

[Hall]

More and providers, Satellite/Cable are cheating consumers

I apologize for not reading all (5) pages, in case it's already been mentioned, but which cable companies are cheating cutomers with less-than-standard HD resolution ??

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

COX Cable is...

My local COX HD looks like CRAP on the local channels, OTA looks much better then the HD signal being delivered to me by COX.

 

[Stargazer]

The only problem with this idea is that, once E* starts downrezzing all the HD (which they obviously have started doing), then what incentive will they have to STOP downrezzing them and restore PQ, considering that it is already standard operating procedure at D*?

I am wondering the same thing. Look at the SD channels. They did not regain the quality that they had lost. There are so many HD channels to add that it will be a good while before we see a gain in quality if ever. The only ones I see having a greater HD quality are the porno's, sports channels, and some if not all the premium movie channels.