The Tier System For Blu-ray PQ

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I seen this thread at avs thought we could use one here! Mods and who ever else add ant thing that will help us out!

This on going list is a place where we all can come together and rate/discuss new releases.

The Tier System For Blu-ray PQ
Here it is, the sister thread to The Tier System of HD DVD PQ list.


3D as referred to it here, are examples where an item is so detailed and sharp that it jumps off the screen. The opening pull-out of Marcus' eye in Underworld: Evolution is a good example.

Bobbed is an up converting from 1080i process some masters at WB underwent. It reduces vertical resolution and introduces "jag et" (stair-stepping).

The following signifier s refer to specific features found on Blu-ray discs and do not affect their placement on this list. They are present purely as a courtesy for our members. Please note that this list only refers to picture quality.

PCM refers to uncompressed audio tracks. This is a lossless audio codec which provides crystal clear sound.

MA refers to DTS Master Audio. DTS-HD Master Audio is a form of lossless packing (aka zip) used to deliver surround audio that is bit-for-bit identical to the original studio master. Current players are only able to decode the core 1.5mbps DTS signal provided for backward compatibility. Future players, as well as some existing players with a future software update, will decode the full extension track with the higher-fidelity DTS-HD Master Audio.

BW refers to Blu-Wizard. This is an interactive overlay in which you can check off a list of features to view. They will then apear during playback of the film at the relevant times.

IME refers to In Movie Experience, which is a term for HD DVD picture-in-picture functionality. I'm just using it here unless/until BD comes up with its own term. As of right now, BD-j, the overlay system that allows this feature, is not fully functional. As a intermediate solution, a separate encode for the entire movie including the picture-in-picture information is also available separate on the disc.
TIER 0- These are simply stunning transfers from beginning to end, nearly flawless
TIER 1-No visible compression, sharp image with many examples of 3D.
Tier 2- Very good Not as many 3D effects, but a sharp image that feels real
Tier 3- Good Few 3D effects, some digital noise/artifact's
Tier 4- A bit under whelmed visible artifact's, softness, few if any 3D effects
 
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Got this from AVS Credit goes to FETTASTIC

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=753726


The Tier System For Blu-ray PQ
Here it is, the sister thread to The Tier System of HD DVD PQ list.

This ongoing list is a place where we all can come together and rate/discuss new releases.

This list is in constant flux as new titles arrive, so check back frequently.

The titles within a tier are also in order of PQ. A title listed above another in the same tier has a slightly higher PQ rating.

A debate we often have here is in regard to "director's intent". Please note that this list does not reflect it. Sky Captain, for example, is purposefully blurry to mirror film stock of the time period it is honoring. However this reduces its placement on the list. While the director's intent is clear with this title, with others it is more difficult to discern. Since trying to divine it would be purely subjective, it doesn't have a place on this list. If blacks are crushed, like they are in Mission: Impossible III, the blacks are crushed. Some may find this pleasing, and it may well be director J.J. Abrams intention, but it decreases depth in dark areas and nearly eliminates shadow detail, so it gets knocked down a few pegs despite it's stunning sharpness.

3D as I refer to it here, are examples where an item is so detailed and sharp that it jumps off the screen. The opening pull-out of Marcus' eye in Underworld: Evolution is a good example.

Bobbed is an upconverting from 1080i process some masters at WB underwent. It reduces vertical resolution and introduces "jaggies" (stair-stepping).

The following signifiers refer to specific features found on Blu-ray discs and do not affect their placement on this list. They are present purely as a courtesy for our members. Please note that this list only refers to picture quality.

PCM refers to uncompressed audio tracks. This is a lossless audio codec which provides crystal clear sound.

MA refers to DTS Master Audio. DTS-HD Master Audio is a form of lossless packing (aka zip) used to deliver surround audio that is bit-for-bit identical to the original studio master. Current players are only able to decode the core 1.5mbps DTS signal provided for backward compatibility. Future players, as well as some existing players with a future software update, will decode the full extension track with the higher-fidelity DTS-HD Master Audio.

BW refers to Blu-Wizard. This is an interactive overlay in which you can check off a list of features to view. They will then apear during playback of the film at the relevant times.

IME refers to In Movie Experience, which is a term for HD DVD picture-in-picture functionality. I'm just using it here unless/until BD comes up with its own term. As of right now, BD-j, the overlay system that allows this feature, is not fully functional. As a intermediate solution, a seperate encode for the entire movie including the picture-in-picture information is also available seperate on the disc.

TIER 0- A deeply immersive experience. Flawless or near flawless transfers.

The Wild (PCM)
Open Season (PCM)
Crank (PCM)(IME)
Black Hawk Down (BW)(PCM)
Corpse Bride
The Ant Bully

TIER 1- No visible compression, sharp image with many examples of 3D.

Kingdom of Heaven (MA)
Ice Age: The Meltdown (MA)(banding in sky shots)
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (MA)
Tears of the Sun (PCM)
Underworld: Evolution (PCM)
Gridiron Gang (PCM)
The Marine
X-Men: The Last Stand (MA)
Aeon Flux
Sahara
Goal: The Dream Begins
Mission: Impossible III (crushed blacks)
Eight Below (PCM)
Kung Fu Hustle (PCM)
World Trade Center
Training Day
ATL
Transporter 2 (MA)
The Departed (PCM)
Flyboys (MA)
Casanova
The Guardian (PCM)
Fantastic 4 (MA)
The Manchurian Candidate
Phantom of the Opera
Good Night and Good Luck
Toto: Live in Amsterdam
Swordfish
The Wicker Man
Into the Blue (PCM)
Invincible (PCM)
The Covenant (PCM)
The Descent (PCM)(IME) Must update Samsung and Sony BDP-S1
Chicago
Pearl Harbor (PCM)
Scooby Doo
Monster House (PCM)
Behind Enemy Lines (MA)
Saw III
Memento (PCM)

Tier 2- Very good
Not as many 3D effects, but a very sharp image that feels real

The Brothers Grimm (PCM)
Ultraviolet (PCM)
Black Rain
We Were Soldiers
The Transporter (MA)
A Knight's Tale (PCM)
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (PCM)
Alien Vs. Predator (MA)
Flightplan (PCM)
Haunted Mansion (PCM)
Stargate
S.W.A.T. (PCM)
Enemy of the State (PCM)
Species (PCM)
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (PCM)(BW)
The Great Raid (PCM)
Syriana
Space Cowboys
The Last Samurai
Stealth (PCM)
Lord of War
Stir of Echoes
Dinosaur (PCM)
Gone in 60 Seconds (PCM)
House of Wax
Blazing Saddles
Glory Road
Sky Captain (purposefully blurry)
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang
Click (PCM)
The Terminator (PCM)
Beerfest
Million Dollar Baby
Unforgiven
Under Siege
Mission Impossible 2
Mission: Impossible
Speed (MA)
The Tailor of Panama (PCM)
50 First Dates (PCM)
Four Brothers
First Blood
Reservoir Dogs
Young Guns
16 Blocks
Johnny Legend: Live at the House of Blues
Rumor Has It
The Exorcism of Emily Rose (UK Import)(PCM)
Terminator 2
Superman: The Movie
RV (PCM)
Superman Returns

Tier 3- Good
Few 3D effects, some digital noise/artifacting

The Black Crowes
The Lake House
Goodfellas
Rocky
The Devil Wears Prada
Hostel (UK Import)(PCM)
Firewall
The Italian Job
Lethal Weapon 2 (bobbed)
Silent Hill (PCM)
Lethal Weapon (bobbed)
Talladega Nights (PCM)
The Devil's Rejects
The New Orleans Benefit Concert
Tomb Raider
Sky High (PCM)
Crash
Dark Water (PCM)
Entrapment
Saw II
American Psycho
Hitch (PCM)
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut
Saw
The Usual Suspects
Broken Arrow
Planet of the Apes
Total Recall
The Punisher
XXX (PCM)
Nacho Libre
Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
Employee of the Month (PCM)
Sleepy Hollow (digital noise)
Reds

Tier 4- A bit underwhelmed
Visible artifacting, softness, few if any 3D effects

U2: Rattle and Hum
The Dirty Dozen
The Fugitive (bobbed)
Full Metal Jacket (bobbed)
The Fifth Element (PCM)
The House of Flying Daggers
 
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You guys rock! I was just looking to pickup a couple of eye popping titles for the new PS3 and was going to pick up Corpse Bride and Ice Age: The Meltdown, and Full Metal Jacket. However, I decided to research the PQ first. Glad I did.
 
Just saw Gridiron Gang. Best looking BR I have seen so far. Actually compares favorably with HD DVD PQ! (I have been catching up, and watchin a lot of early releases from Blockbuster, so some of them are not very good PQ.)
 
Just saw Gridiron Gang. Best looking BR I have seen so far. Actually compares favorably with HD DVD PQ! (I have been catching up, and watchin a lot of early releases from Blockbuster, so some of them are not very good PQ.)

I know what you mean the early releases really were not that good. Gridiron Gang looks very good and a great movie!
 

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