The perfect explination of the NFL owners greedy in this labor dispute...

The stadium was built from "private funds" which means MULTIPLE folks put money into.... at least 3 or 4 "ownership groups" involved since it was a two team financial involvement. Whether ONE person put in more than 10%, that will more than likely never be known.

So 'private funding' automatically means at least 3 or 4 groups in your world? I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but whatever. You may be right, you may be wrong, but it's irrelevant anyway.

The bottom line is that the taxpayers (like me!) paid zero dollars. That's all that matters.


Sandra
 
Bob Kraft did.

He has also put in north of 3/4's of a BILLION dollars of his own money, to buy the team, keep them in New England and build the stadium.

I'll be a fan of the team in 20 years. None of the players that are here now will be still playing.

But you will be paying to see the team...not Rober Kraft.
 
So 'private funding' automatically means at least 3 or 4 groups in your world? I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but whatever. You may be right, you may be wrong, but whatever.

The bottom line is that the taxpayers (like me!) paid zero dollars. That's all that matters.


Sandra


Find where somewhere you can put an name and a dollar figure on how much was put in and prove me wrong....and you will have my apology.
 
Find where somewhere you can put an name and a dollar figure on how much was put in and prove me wrong....and you will have my apology.

LOL who asked for an apology? Jeez, this is getting weird.

The stadium was built with private funding. That's all that matters.


Sandra
 
LOL!

Within the NFL's New York City headquarters, the out-of-the-blue $800,000 profit was surely greeted with high fives and whoops and whatever other celebratory device football executives tend to break out when it comes to milking fans of every last cent. Upon closer inspection, however, the earnings symbolize something drastically different: The undeniable truth that when it comes to the seemingly inevitable NFL lockout, the league's executives and owners fall on the side of devilish greed.

Or, put differently: Who the hell charges people $200 to watch a game on TV outside a stadium? Even if there's coin to be made. Even if 4,000 people are dumb enough to fork over the cash. Even if you could hear the cheers and smell the popcorn from inside. Even if a couple of Cowboys' cheerleaders visited the suckers, eh, I mean, patrons. Seriously, what genre of insidious, money-hungry, tone-deaf, suit-wearing homo Sapien thinks this is the proper way to treat your most diehard fans?

Maybe the NFL was trying to steal a page from the U.S. Open tennis tournament, which sets up a large JumboTron TV in Madison Square Park, and even provides bleacher and AstroTurn seating. There is, however, one slight difference: The U.S. Open supplies the services for free. Maybe the NFL was trying to steal a page from Wimbledon, which charges non-ticket holders five pounds to walk the grounds and watch the action on large monitors. Oh, wait -- all of that money goes to charity.

The truth is, as the lockout looms and the two sides seem to make little-to-no progress, the $200 serves as a perfect example of the want-it-both-ways hypocrites of the NFL. The league loves its fans, but will pull a stunt like the Cowboy Stadium joke. The league is terribly concerned about player safety, yet the commissioner and owners are adamant about extending a 16-game season to an even more punishing 18-game season (even though nobody seems to want the change). The league needs a reduction in the percentage of revenue going to the players, but it adamantly refuses to show each team's full audited financial statement as proof. If I'm DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the NFLPA, I make THE OWNERS CHARGED FANS $200 TO WATCH A GAME ON TV OUTSIDE A STADIUM my slogan, my mantra and my post-yoga fill-in for namaste. I print it up on signs, I tattoo it to my forehead, I repeat it over and over and over again until everyone in America gets the gist..

There are few greater examples of greed. There are few greater indictments of character.

As a lockout looms, NFL must realize it can't have it both ways - Jeff Pearlman - SI.com
 
Don't get me wrong, I also think that Goodell is a complete tool.

Of course so is DeMaurice Smith with his bullspit "WAR" comment.

CBA rhetoric becomes more contentious - NFL - Sporting News

The players should of requested that Smith resign immediately, of course they didn't so they get no sympathy from me.

The players are no greeder than you or me. The owner get NO love from me because they hold cities hostage, sign players to dumb ass contracts...THEN cry poverty....and then sign another player for ANOTHER contract that was just as dumb as the last one....and AGAIN cry poverty/losing money. Just about every single professional league has some kind of tax/penalty or whatever you wanna call it for going over the budget and payed out to the "poorer" teams.

Wash, rinse and repeat.

AND...how is what Smith said ANY MORE better/smarter/MORE stupid than Carolina Panthers' owner Jerry Richardson? Criticizing the intelligence of quarterbacks Peyton Manning and Drew Brees with regard to the CBA...

"Do I need your help reading a revenue chart, son?" he asked Peyton Manning. "Do I need to help break that down for you because I don't know if you know how to read that?"

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/fee...rs-say-they-support-panthers-jerry-richardson
 
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In a simpler, better time stadiums and arenas were privately build and maintained. Ticket prices were within reach of any working person. Most games were on free OTA TV. There was no need to commercialize every single thing with sponsorships. Players made a reasonable upper-middle class wage.

Then came the perversion of unionism where players want to, in the case of baseball, negioate about everything but wages, and in the case of the rest, seem to be somehow entitled to some %age of the bosses business. Neither is unionism. In a union, if you are a widget maker III with 14 years, you make the same as every other widget maker III with 14 years. The boss has cost certainty and how much he might make selling his widgets is none of your business.

Sports athletes should not be allowed to join unions, unless they are willing to really join a union. Really that simple.

In this NFL dispute, I am for the owners, because it is the owners as my represenative vs. the players.
 
I think the 18 game issue will be GONE, I think it was used as a bargaining chip only ... (at least I hope), really don't want the SB in March.
Of course they COULD start the season a few weeks earlier. But if they did that they would run into the College season.
 
I think the 18 game issue will be GONE, I think it was used as a bargaining chip only ... (at least I hope), really don't want the SB in March.
Of course they COULD start the season a few weeks earlier. But if they did that they would run into the College season.
HOw would it put the Super Bowl in March? I thought the 18 game season would replace the last 2 preseason games with regular games, thus pulling up the start of the season by 2 weeks.
 
HOw would it put the Super Bowl in March? I thought the 18 game season would replace the last 2 preseason games with regular games, thus pulling up the start of the season by 2 weeks.

· 2 NFL Preseason Games will be eliminated from the schedule

· The start of the NFL Regular season will be moved up one week, and will begin just prior to Labor Day Weekend

· The end of the NFL Regular season will be moved back one week

· The start of NFL Playoffs will be moved back one week

· The blank week currently between the NFL Conference Championship Games and the SuperBowl will be eliminated

· 2 additional Conference games for each NFL team against non-Division opponents will be added to each team's regular season schedule

· All NFL teams will play an 18 game schedule over the course of 19 weeks, with one BYE week on the schedule for each team (or possibly over 20 weeks with each team receiving two BYE weeks)
 
Looks thea judge find the owners a tad greed too...

MINNEAPOLIS -- A federal judge backed the NFL players' union over the league on Tuesday in a dispute over television revenue with implications for the looming potential lockout.

U.S. District Judge David Doty ruled that the league violated its agreement with the union in carving out $4 billion for itself in additional television revenue. The union had argued that the league was effectively stockpiling money to prepare for a lockout.

Doty ordered that a hearing be held to determine damages for the players. That hearing wasn't immediately scheduled. The union had asked that the TV money be placed in escrow until the end of any lockout.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello downplayed the significance of the ruling, saying that clubs were "prepared for any contingency."

"Today's ruling will have no effect on our efforts to negotiate a new, balanced labor agreement," Aiello wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

The league's agreement with players expires at midnight Eastern time Thursday night, and owners have said they would institute a lockout if no new agreement is reached.

At a hearing last week, NFL attorney Gregg Levy argued it would be "repugnant to federal labor law" for Doty to intervene in the broadcast rights fees issue. Players' union attorney Jeffrey Kessler countered that the billions in leverage is part of a long-devised lockout plan and that the NFL didn't act in good faith.

Doty said at the hearing that he didn't want to put his "thumb on the scale of the collective bargaining" process.

The union contends the NFL failed to secure "maximum" revenue, as it is required to do, in both 2009 and 2010 when it re-negotiated broadcast contracts with Fox, NBC, ESPN, CBS and DirecTV that included revised "work stoppage" plans. The NFLPA said the work stoppage clauses in particular were struck to guarantee "war chest" income for the NFL, giving it an unfair advantage in the labor talks.

Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press

Federal judge backs NFLPA in dispute over TV money - ESPN
 
Whenever there are collective bargaining negotiations both sides do whatever they can get their best leverage.


Sandra
 
And the hits of the owners greed keep coming....

LMAO!! You guys keep hangin' your pitty for the poor billionaires....:rolleyes:

This story is even BETTER than the original story I posted this with.

It's hard to find anybody to like in this coming distraction known as the NFL lockout. But look closely. Yes, some of the players are millionaires. But half of the owners are billionaires.

Their estimated combined net worth is well over $40 billion, which is more than the GNP of 150 nations. Paul Allen, owner of the Seattle Seahawks, has a 414-foot yacht called "The Octopus" with two helicopters, two submarines, a swimming pool, a music studio and a basketball court. He also has two backup emergency yachts.

You're really worried about his wallet?

Yes, many of the players are diamond-coated knuckleheads. But have you ever met Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder? He's worth $1.1 billion and yet, two years ago, the Redskins sued a 73-year-old grandmother for not keeping up on her season-ticket package payments.

This man also got caught buying stale peanuts from a defunct airline and reselling them at games.

For the owners to lock out the players at this time in American history is unconscionable. You don't like the players? Fine. There are still nearly 9 percent of Americans out of work. Think of the people who've lost their homes, lost their cars and can barely pay the rent. Watching an NFL game on a Sunday -- and getting ready for it all week -- is sometimes literally the only thing keeping them going.

Do you realize what having no NFL season would do to the economy? According to the NFLPA, it's estimated it would cost each NFL city $160 million and 3,000 jobs. That's 93,000 jobs nationwide. For what? Another Aspen chalet?


Question: In 10 years, do you think you're going to find New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft wandering the streets because of the 200-plus concussions he didn't know he had from his time in the NFL? You figure Detroit Lions owner William Clay Ford will end up with ringing in the ears and depression the way former Patriots linebacker Ted Johnson did? Within the past year alone, two former players killed themselves.

You recall any NFL owners killing themselves lately?

The players aren't asking for more money. They deserve what they get, and they get it for an average of only three years. The Bidwills have owned the Cardinals for 79 years. The Rooneys have owned the Steelers for 78 years. Nine NFL owners inherited their teams. There's no easier path to permanent hot-and-cold running jets than your dad handing you an NFL team.

On the other hand, nobody hands NFL players anything but a chinstrap. With what we know about the dangers to brains now, would you exchange jobs with an NFL player?

This isn't baseball. These guys go to a job every day in which safety is Job 1,379
.

The people asking for more money are the owners. They want $1 billion more out of the deal they have now.

They say they're losing money. But if you were losing money and were asking for $1 billion back, wouldn't you slap some proof down on the table? The owners are more secretive with their books than KFC is with its recipe.

Take our word for it and just fork over the billion. Oh, and play two more games for free. Thanks.

In this, the greediest and most shameful era in American business history, the NFL owners would steal the cake. No set of sports owners in U.S. history has known this kind of popularity, love or cash. If there is a lockout, the day the 2012 season starts, every fan ought to pelt the owners' luxury boxes with pennies.

Jeffrey Lurie, owner of the Philadelphia Eagles, owns an 18-bedroom estate with a three-hole golf course, two-lane bowling alley, two-story recreation center and indoor tennis court. He's really going to lock players out? For what, his own ski hill?

Stan Kroenke, owner of the St. Louis Rams, owns four homes, four ranches and three vineyards. He once ordered his employees to destroy $3 million in wine because he didn't think it was up to his standards. His wife is a Wal-Mart heiress.

Are you really fretting about his future?

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said the other day that the owners need this money to build new stadiums. And who profits from new stadiums? The owners. A new stadium doesn't make the team any better. The seat under your butt isn't any bigger. But a new stadium, usually built with vats of your tax dollars, funnels millions more per game into an owner's pocket via luxury boxes, concessions and advertising. That's money that isn't shared 32 ways. What Goodell is saying is, "We need that billion so my owners can buy new Bentleys. Theirs are dusty."

Locking out the players now would be unjust, unfair and as indefensible as Al Davis' wardrobe. There is so much to go around, it's obscene. A billion back? These guys have that in cash.

Malcolm Glazer, owner of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, once bought a $14 million Palm Beach mansion and never moved into it. He later sold it for $24 million.

Bud Adams, owner of the Tennessee Titans, has 10,000 head of cattle.

Jennifer Lopez, part owner of the Miami Dolphins, has offered to auction off her twins' clothes because they're not allowed to "repeat" outfits.

When's the telethon?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6177574
 
As an employer, if I had to side in this, it would be with the owners. People are bitching about people in a business wanting to make more money. Well yeah, they wouldnt stay in business if they didnt. Nobody would.

That said, shut it down. I dont care. Nearly all of the owners, AND players (if they have been smart with their MILLIONS) will be just fine.
 

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