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The OFFICIAL DISH / HBO Thread
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I am seeing signs that Dish may have a new deal with Starz. Does anyone want to make a bet on how soon the Starz and StarzEncore channels will move to the old HBO and Cinemax channel numbers?
Yes, Starz apparently has a new deal with Dish. I don't know about them changing the channel numbers.
Dish and Starz?
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I take it that English is not your first language...
So is this site with all the anal nitpickers.....
Hey, I was just trying to provide assistance to those in apparent need.
Was really not referring to you, and the poster could use a little help, but some seem to be all over any errors in punctuation and spelling, even posting advice in there signatures.Hey, I was just trying to provide assistance to those in apparent need.
A little too ironicMy gosh, how ironic!
And yet I really do think
It's like rain
On your wedding day...
What is really ironic is that this thread became designated as the "official" Dish / HBO thread, rather than the original thread that was started when the channels were removed, which still has more posts in it than this thread does.
HBO/Cinemax Takedown
A little too ironic
And yet I really do think
It's like rain
On your wedding day...
What is really ironic is that this thread became designated as the "official" Dish / HBO thread, rather than the original thread that was started when the channels were removed, which still has more posts in it than this thread does.
HBO/Cinemax Takedown
I have wondered the same thing, with nearly 50 pages now. I have no idea "if" HBO/Cinemax will return, but it may be sometime. I did not think Univision would return either, except for a few stations in different markets like Seattle & Portland. Too bad we did not get El Rey back, I guess they may be shutting down soon I have read.
I needed to know how much longer bringing back Hbo and Cinemax I’m still I understand still negotiating hbo I don’t why is taking too long it’s suppose to be negotiating right agreements be done already 8 month without hbo on dish I always be patient and waiting bring back on dish for me I don’t want hbo now it’s for internet I rather only dish channels hbo channels 300 to 310 I think that I like not over internet so I need to know how much longer will be?? I know they are trying bringing back that consumer service say thank you
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We have no idea. Dish has no idea. AT&T/HBO had crazy demands that Dish could not agree with. If they would have, all of our rates would have gone up. Dish finally did get a new agreement with Univision, but we did not get our affiliates here in the NW (Portland or Seattle), plus no El Rey channel. So negotiating doesn't always work out well. I picked up HBO via the stream, as I had no other choice unless I wanted to switch providers. I like Dish and have been with them for 20 years now. But dealing with so many programmers that are down right greedy, it has not been easy for any satellite/cable company. The main reasons our rates go up. As far as locals go, Dish used to get them free, but now they charge as much if not more than other cable services. When, they are totally free over the air. Like I said, it all comes down to greed. It is a catch 22 for Dish or any provider. If they don't carry a channel, then customers jump ship. So Dish has a choice, pay the demands or do without the channel. I know of friends that have Direct as they dropped Dish over the loss of HBO/Cinemax.
If HBO over the Internet isn't working for you, you're going to have to either be patient or change TV providers. I completely understand not wanting to wait. It is a personal decision though. How long are you willing to wait? HBO/Cinemax might never come back to Dish. Nothing is certain in life.
HBO/Cinemax has been gone from DISH for a while and the sky is still up there.
What's up with that ?
What's up with that ?
I think he’d be a fool to. Most of the price to be paid for losing HBO has already been paid.
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OK if you want him to make a deal, how about giving in to AT&T and charging Dish customers 20 or more dollars a month for HBO. No one would buy it at that price, well maybe you... So AT&T makes no money from Dish.
But that's not what they expect him to do. They want him to raise bottom line rates on everybody to do it. Somebody has to look out for the customer.
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But that's not what they expect him to do. They want him to raise bottom line rates on everybody to do it. Somebody has to look out for the customer.
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I read recently from one of the companies that specializes in media industry research that HBO gets, on average, about $7.75 per month for each customer who subscribes through a traditional distribution partner (cable, satellite or telco MVPD). (I don't recall the exact figure but it was somewhere in the $7.60 - 7.90 range.) That's the wholesale rate that HBO charges Comcast, Charter, etc. and then the cable company sets the price they actually charge their customers. While a lot of operators used to charge a little more, maybe $16 to $18/mo, it seems like about everyone has pulled that down now to $15/mo to match HBO's direct-to-consumer pricing for HBO Now. That's also what Amazon, Roku and Apple charge to subscribe to HBO as a streaming channel through their own apps.
If you sign up for HBO Now directly through the HBO Now website and they handle the billing, then they're getting the full $15/mo. If you sign up for HBO Now inside the app you downloaded from an app store operated by Apple, Google, Roku or Amazon, then that company handles the billing and they take, I think, about a 20% cut of the $15, leaving $12 for HBO. Either way, with HBO Now, HBO is bearing all the operational costs of encoding the streams, running the servers and paying for the bandwidth to deliver the streams.
If you sign up for HBO as an add-on inside another streaming app (e.g. Prime Video, Hulu, The Roku Channel, the new Apple TV app), then they handle the encoding and streaming operations as well as the billing, so they take a bigger cut. Not sure of the amount but I think I read it was ~30%. That would leave $10.50 for HBO.
Assuming all that is close to accurate, you can see why HBO would prefer folks to subscribe to them via streaming. It's more profitable. On top of that, HBO also gets lots of valuable user data when you stream rather than watch on a cable/satellite box. Streaming gives them much more accurate info about what their customers search for, what they watch, at what point they stop watching shows, etc. Netflix says that kind of user data is invaluable to them. (That said, many who get HBO through a traditional MVPD do stream HBO too, using the HBO Go app, which gives HBO user data but at the cost of providing the streams.)
And, of course, AT&T plans to transition HBO to even more of a direct competitor to Netflix this fall when they launch an expanded streaming service that will be centered on HBO content, but with lots of additional complementary content. They've said that the current standalone HBO service will continue to exist, and obviously HBO doesn't want to dump the vast majority of their customers who subscribe through traditional MVPD partners, but it seems clear that AT&T sees HBO's future as *mainly* a streaming service.
When you take all of that into consideration, is it really any surprise that AT&T is playing hardball with Dish over HBO carriage? I imagine their thinking is "If Dish customers want HBO, let them subscribe via one of the more profitable streaming options that we actually prefer. And if they live out somewhere internet service isn't available, that means their only pay TV options are Dish and DirecTV satellite. Some of those folks will ditch Dish and come to our DirecTV service so they can get HBO, which would be great because DirecTV is absolutely hemorrhaging subscribers."
If you sign up for HBO Now directly through the HBO Now website and they handle the billing, then they're getting the full $15/mo. If you sign up for HBO Now inside the app you downloaded from an app store operated by Apple, Google, Roku or Amazon, then that company handles the billing and they take, I think, about a 20% cut of the $15, leaving $12 for HBO. Either way, with HBO Now, HBO is bearing all the operational costs of encoding the streams, running the servers and paying for the bandwidth to deliver the streams.
If you sign up for HBO as an add-on inside another streaming app (e.g. Prime Video, Hulu, The Roku Channel, the new Apple TV app), then they handle the encoding and streaming operations as well as the billing, so they take a bigger cut. Not sure of the amount but I think I read it was ~30%. That would leave $10.50 for HBO.
Assuming all that is close to accurate, you can see why HBO would prefer folks to subscribe to them via streaming. It's more profitable. On top of that, HBO also gets lots of valuable user data when you stream rather than watch on a cable/satellite box. Streaming gives them much more accurate info about what their customers search for, what they watch, at what point they stop watching shows, etc. Netflix says that kind of user data is invaluable to them. (That said, many who get HBO through a traditional MVPD do stream HBO too, using the HBO Go app, which gives HBO user data but at the cost of providing the streams.)
And, of course, AT&T plans to transition HBO to even more of a direct competitor to Netflix this fall when they launch an expanded streaming service that will be centered on HBO content, but with lots of additional complementary content. They've said that the current standalone HBO service will continue to exist, and obviously HBO doesn't want to dump the vast majority of their customers who subscribe through traditional MVPD partners, but it seems clear that AT&T sees HBO's future as *mainly* a streaming service.
When you take all of that into consideration, is it really any surprise that AT&T is playing hardball with Dish over HBO carriage? I imagine their thinking is "If Dish customers want HBO, let them subscribe via one of the more profitable streaming options that we actually prefer. And if they live out somewhere internet service isn't available, that means their only pay TV options are Dish and DirecTV satellite. Some of those folks will ditch Dish and come to our DirecTV service so they can get HBO, which would be great because DirecTV is absolutely hemorrhaging subscribers."
