Swanni says Direct WILL have 100 HD channels by years end.

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Watching FCC docs one can see Dish has a bunch of satellites under construction, and authorizations for many locations and frequencies. The main "surprise" of the statement was that 2 satellites will go up this year to their previously authorized slots and they will provide a new service from them. Until the announcement there was no idication of when the satellites would go up (except the must be in service by times in the frequency grants) and what they would be used for.

Now it is pretty much the same vaporware from both companies until they get their satellites up and operational. They both have the satellites built and scheduled for launch. One hopes the launches are all successful and the satellites work like they are supposed to do.

How each company uses their bandwidth will be the part we have to wait and see about.

I speculate that:
86.5 SAT-LOA-20030609-00112 call sign S2454
96.5 SAT-LOA-20030605-00109 call sign S2453

are the 2 satellites Dish is talking about, they have not released any details. Service from both these slots could be done on a dish500 type dish.


I think it is pretty obvious that the two satellites that Charlie Ergen talked about are the E-11 and the AMC-14 satellites. I do not believe that an authorized slot has been aplied for/determined for E-11 and the 105.5 W tweener slot is the only one that SES Americom has applied for with AMC-14. I do not believe the FCC has made any rules for the regular DBS tweener slots but they did recently release the licensing and servicing rules for the "Reverse DBS Frequencies". I have to believe that Dish is counting on receiving licenses for some of these Reverse DBS slots for these two satellites. The ruling can be found here in Word and Acrobat respectively:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-76A1.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-76A1.pdf

Of interest in this rulings are the available slots which start at 43 W and increase by 4 degrees up to 179 W. The other point of interest is that it appears that FCC will award the slots on a first come/first serve basis and consider the applications already on file. The ruling lists those applications already on file but most do not correspond to the available slots. Dish has applications for the following slots:

61.9, 67, 77.2, 86.3, 110, 114.5, 119, 124, 128.6 and 147.6 W

Of these, only the 67 W and 119 W correspond to available slots but this does not mean the FCC would not consider modified applications. As a side note DirecTV has applications for the following slots:

96.5, 99, 101, 103 and 105.5 with 99 and 103 W corresponding to available slots.

Now if Dish's plan is to use these "Reverse DBS Frequencies" I would think that both E-11 and AMC-14 would need to be modified for these frequencies. It has been reported previously that AMC-14 was already being modified with some steerable capability. Now this all speculation on my part, perhaps Scott G. can tell us if I am way off or not.
 
Your ignorance is now very apparent. I would venture to say that even the most die-hard DISH fan will agree that Directv has done a far better job with HD locals. Lit a new market today BTW.

DISH is much further behind their lil launch plans.

BUT, the challenge was not to compare E* with D*. You are deflecting - the challenge you (D* defenders) dropped was to prove that D* failed to deliver, not how does E* compare on delivery.

Nobody ever said that E* hasn't had their delivery issues as well.

OUR discussion here was originally that D* says they will have X number of HD channels by said date. Their advertising that I have actually listened to says HD CAPACITY.

Now it is obvious to anyone that D* wants to sign new customers just like any other company. Their marketing is shaving reality a little on the thin side because this HD promise is just that, a promise, and in some ways a little nebulus by saying capacity and equating that to channels.

We will all win with new HD content we will most likely complain is not the HD we wanted and it is still HD-Lite and not 24/7, D* or E*.

If you want to come over here and "fact check" every E* post and think you can pretend that those "facts" don't apply to D* also, then you just aren't being honest with yourself.

We have plenty of things to call E* on and do regularly with some emotion at times. We didn't call for the D* PR dept to chime in when we want to mention something the others guys are doing.

Now go watch some Sox games while I get ready to Voom Voom!
 
Your ignorance is now very apparent. I would venture to say that even the most die-hard DISH fan will agree that Directv has done a far better job with HD locals. Lit a new market today BTW.

DISH is much further behind their lil launch plans.

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Directv WILL have more than double the number of HD channels than DISH. And not a one of them will be MONSTERS or KUNG FU! Lol
We need the Mathematics-HD channel.

Last time I checked 150 is not "double" 200, in fact it is less than 200.

Lit a new market today BTW.
Yes, you are right - Dish did make a new HD LIL market available today.

...CNBC...And NO va va VOOM.

CNBC-HD is not even in existence yet - and nevertheless it is a perfect example of all the "Channels With HD In Their Name But No Real HD Content". I have my CNBC on all the time - and I rarely look at the screen - an audio feed would be just as good. When it goes "HD", they will put one HD camera in the studio - just like the NBC National News In HD - and then everything else with be 4x3 SD with cutesy graphics on left and right saying "CNBC CNBC CNBC CNBC" (just like most of ESPN-HD's not-really-HD programming).

Almost all of the real HD programming is on Voom. For example, I currently am watching "HD News" - which, unlike the "NBC National News in HD" actually has HD footage all of the time.

When D* adds its "100 Channels With HD In Their Name" - E* will still have more real HD content.
 
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Why - because the D* stuff is vaporware until there's a channel to watch sent down from a D* satellite. The E* stuff would be vaporware, if they chose to advertise projected national HD capacity for the next two years, but without delivering squat.

Oh like they just recently did or in the past when Dish said they would launch 60 LiL markets? MMM :rolleyes:
 
D* is bringing it on themselves. They boast and boast and boast and never deliver. Just like the we'll have X amount of hd locals by the end of 2006, blah.

Whats funny is the D* guys love to brag about what the bird thats still sitting on the ground is GOING to do. Then you bring up the two announced by E* and they ignore it.

I guess when you're a D* sub and have had to much koolaid, you begin to believe the hype about something that hasnt even happened yet. You also begin to feel that everyone else's plans are speculation. Or maybe its just a little man complex since they cant even get NatGeo fulltime and Comcast is getting ready to even have more HD channels than D*.

Truth: While D* continues to boast, E* is quiet and adding HD channels. We'll get up to 6 more nationals by years end which is fine by me. There is not more than 6 announced by end of 2007 that I want anyways, but hey, you'll have WeatherHD before its actually HD, woohoo. Then, 1st qtr of 2007 E*'s capacity will be back up and they'll be adding more.

I guess you forget D* has launch many more HD channel so far this year then E*.
 
Wow look at all the opinions.

When D* has 100 HD channels E* will have more real content?

Where do you come up with that? First off the more real content part is in your own opinion. (you know what they say about opinion dont you?)

As for anything else how do you know what E* will have? They havent anounced the signing of any contracts, right?

Look you obviously are happy with E* because you pay for it.

I dont get the whining about D* though. The D* bashers sound like the little kid in school that gets picked on all the time. D* said that Mrs Murphy...D* cant say that Mrs Murphy its not fair boo hoo hoo. Grow up.

Be happy and not jealous. Dont be mad that D* decided to say they have the capacity for 100 channels in HD and not they have the capacity to have as many channels as are in existence. Whats the difference? What if they said they would have more capacity than E* by the end of the year...LOL block the bridges E* fanboys would be going down faster than the fat kid in dodge ball.
 
When D* has 100 HD channels E* will have more real content?

Where do you come up with that? First off the more real content part is in your own opinion.

Not real content, real HD content.

Real HD content is a program that is 16x9 and filmed in 720 lines (or greater).

Good examples of not real HD content is "NBC Nightly News in HD" and "Sportscenter in HD". One HD camera in a studio photographing the head of some guy (i.e. "talking heads") who introduces 4x3 480i footage.

CNBC-HD is going to be zero real HD content - regardless of whether it is on D* or E* (it probably will be on both at some point in 2008).

National Geographic HD is particularly good at not having real HD content. Either they have upconverted 4x3 SD programs, or else they have recent programs where someone is interviewed with an HD camera (more talking heads) followed by old 4x3 SD footage that is zoomed (aka "matted") so that it is 16x9, but the resolution is thereby even less than 480 lines (and looks it). This is called a documentary, oooh.

There won't be much HD content out there for the next several years... but there will be a lot of channels with "HD" in the name. Ooooh....
 
We need the Mathematics-HD channel.
Last time I checked 150 is not "double" 200, in fact it is less than 200.



Last time I checked DISH only has 30 HD channels,I'd say that would make 60 channels DOUBLE.Directv says they will have more then 60 .Did Dish get 70 more HD channels that no one knows about??
 
Yeah, I like Comcast coming on strong along with D* and E*'s plans.

Comcast in our area (per a local Comcast guy on AVS) is adding capacity(they were kinda strapped) by moving some analogs to all digital and he said SDV will be going by years end.

Tivo S3 guys are getting ready for a hit.

My cable company (Armstrong) sucks so that's why I have Directv. Bring on the new channels.
 
This is really really funny. D* subs are happy with what D* is doing. The writing is on the wall and the other side just can't seem to deal with it. Never, would I ever consider going into an E* discussion on theie current lineup or future plans and being so envious that I have to somehow rip their plan or their ads or their subs. If you guys are happy with E* now and in the future, great! Me, I love my NFL, I really love the fact that I am gonna get all of the HD produced baseball games in HD next year on my MLB EI. Those that say, well my locals RSN's for baseball will be blacked out anyway are laughable. You don't get it. First of all, it doesn't matter, you over on the E* side don't have MLB EI, did you forget? Number 2, the package is mainly for those of us that want to see baseball out of our market, what the heck does the local RSN have to do with that? So rave on other side, while we enjoy our D*
 
This whole where the thread was posted stuff is part of the reason D* subs on satguys get irked.

Look Mota posted a slanted headling in the D* side. He started a thread about an article where people chose C* over D* for PQ. The same article mentioned that MORE people chose C* over E* than they did for D*.

I ask you why wasnt the thread started in the E* forum? Why wasnt the heading Comcast study says more people choose C* over E*, why? because he was trolling.

This thread headline was about D* having 100 HD channels...Yet it was put in the te E* side. The E* yuck offs jumped up and down and stomped their feet like children saying its on the E* side go back to the D* side. Did you guys bump your head? Satguys isnt like Les Nesmans office. There are no invisible walls here.

For me its simple. Enjoy your programming. Each side has their good and their bad. But if you want to act stupid, I will be more than happy to give you an education.
 
Oh like they just recently did or in the past when Dish said they would launch 60 LiL markets? MMM :rolleyes:
Sorry, I haven't been paying attention. I was busy watching the OKC HD locals that launched yesterday.

And E* has their own fine print, just like D*. The statement actually said "... up to 50 markets".
 
Sorry, I haven't been paying attention. I was busy watching the OKC HD locals that launched yesterday.

And E* has their own fine print, just like D*. The statement actually said "... up to 50 markets".

Well congrat's on getting your local HD. How many do you get? On D* they only have 3 of the big 4 in OKC.
 
Well congrat's on getting your local HD. How many do you get? On D* they only have 3 of the big 4.
Two right now. My guess is we'll end up with the three that D* supplies OKC now. The good news is that KOCO-DT and KOKH-DT are the ones we got, and those are the ones that Cox Cable doesn't carry.
 
Sorry, I haven't been paying attention. I was busy watching the OKC HD locals that launched yesterday.

And E* has their own fine print, just like D*. The statement actually said "... up to 50 markets".

So. The scorecard is 30 markets for DISH and 60 markets for DirecTV - twice as many! I think that's gonna mirror that DirecTV will also have twice as many HD nationals by the end of October also.
 
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