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Survivor: Samoa
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I assume you are referring to my posts. I agree that there is a social ASPECT to the game, but it's about OUTWIT, OUTLAST, OUTPLAY, is it not? NOT meet your buddy at the fire for some grubs, happy hour lounge?
As far as Natalie goes, she herself admitted to not doing anything aggressive gameplay-wise, in the final tribal, just so she wouldn't get voted off. I don't think the producers could leave out anything if she never did anything.
FROM EW.com -
"Natalie's opening speech to the jury contained NOT ONE SINGLE REFERENCE to anything she did well in the entire game, just that it was ''the hardest thing I've ever done.'' Natalie then told the jury that she deserved to win because people told her before the game that she couldn't do it. Again, huh? How does that have anything to do with how you played the game?"
From Erik's final tribal speech -
''People will call you weak [check]. People will say you're undeserving [check]. But why are those characteristics any less admirable than lying, cheating, and stealing(playing the game)?''
You are correct but this can be done in multiple ways and that is all I am saying. Everybody has different ways of doing it.
Did she not Outwit, Outlast and Outplay everybody on the jury? If she didn't she would be sitting in their spot instead of heading to the bank today. The largest part of the game is social and that will never change the way the current game is structured. If they want to change it they need to have a vote from the viewers instead of a jury. That is pretty much the only way they will get rid of the social aspect.
You'll never get rid of the social aspect, but my point is, is THAT'S ALL this jury looked at. The Galu tribe were a bunch of Melrose Drive-coffee shop-hangin' out-yoga doing-emo's that were butt-hurt because they got booted and beaten by a troll, and couldn't accept it, so they gave it to someone closer to what they were like. What's that have to do with the game? (Why do you think they didn't like Shambo? She wasn't "one like them")
They didn't take into account how well the game was played..................and how they themselves were played extraordinarily well.
From what I know they did not have to. That is why the game is pretty much 95% social and that is all I have been trying to say. There are no rules around how they are to vote. They could flip a coin and that would have been just as acceptable as any other method.
Here is a quote from a message board that puts it rather succinctly.
"The smartest thing Natalie did was come up with a clever new way to describe riding someone’s coat tails to a bitter jury that knew they had been outplayed by a better man."
"The smartest thing Natalie did was come up with a clever new way to describe riding someone’s coat tails to a bitter jury that knew they had been outplayed by a better man."
I completely disagree that it's 95% social. It shouldn't be, and most previous juries have had the balls to vote for the "true" winner of the game, the person who played it the best.
As far as determining the winner, yes, you're right. They could have rolled chicken bones to do so. The only thing their methodology and final decision shows, is how idiotic they truly are.
Funny part is that nobody can say much about it as we only saw about 1% of what actually happened during the time there.
Well, I thought that Galu were idiots from the beginning, they only proved to me how true that was, as the game went on. What 8 person tribe allows themselves to be DECIMATED, by a 4 person tribe(with basically 1 person calling the shots)? I doubt the cameras could skew that the whole series, but I suppose it could have been "scripted" that way.....
And we can say ALOT about it...even Jeff last night seemed to be in disbelief, and he was there the entire game.
And we can say ALOT about it...even Jeff last night seemed to be in disbelief, and he was there the entire game.
Here's another one from the message boards -
Russell was "Boston-Robbed".
Referring to how Boston Rob got screwed at the end of All-Stars when the jury gave it to Amber, when she OBVIOUSLY was riding his coat-tails.
Russell was "Boston-Robbed".
Referring to how Boston Rob got screwed at the end of All-Stars when the jury gave it to Amber, when she OBVIOUSLY was riding his coat-tails.
I love the Russell interview... glad to see he is saying what he really thinks.
Russell Hantz Americas Top Survivor
Russell Hantz Americas Top Survivor
Here is my take:
It's Russell's fault that he didn't win! Yes, he did all he possibly could to stay till the end. But he didn't do enough strategically to get more friends on the jury. He was more concerned about staying in the game at each particular tribal council, than he was about what others will think about him in the end. He outsmarted and outlied everyone, but didn't make too many friends in the process, and that was his mistake!
He hoped that the final vote would be about who played the best, so he would get the credit. But in reality, the final vote is about who you like the most, who you want to get the Million. And it wasn't Russell for this jury.
The final vote wasn't for Natalie - it was against Russell. Natalie just happened to be there...
It's Russell's fault that he didn't win! Yes, he did all he possibly could to stay till the end. But he didn't do enough strategically to get more friends on the jury. He was more concerned about staying in the game at each particular tribal council, than he was about what others will think about him in the end. He outsmarted and outlied everyone, but didn't make too many friends in the process, and that was his mistake!
He hoped that the final vote would be about who played the best, so he would get the credit. But in reality, the final vote is about who you like the most, who you want to get the Million. And it wasn't Russell for this jury.
The final vote wasn't for Natalie - it was against Russell. Natalie just happened to be there...
Jeff's final Blog for this season... Jeff Probst | Entertainment Weekly's PopWatch Blog | PopWatch | EW.com
I read it long before you posted this. You can say all that you want but as said before the largest portion of the game is a social one and Russell did not play that part well. Jeff even made mention to that.
That is all I have said. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that part of the game?
