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i need a splitter as i use the audio at the 622 location to a audio receiver there too so i need two toslink feeds but only one output from the 622. Do not want to pull out the 50 ft hdmi as i still need that too
Man, you're making my head hurt. The cable I mentioned to pull is not the HDMI, but the one running out from your tv to your stereo. I'm real confused now about this second AV receiver. What does it serve? Can't you use RCA audio outs? The one you really care about is the one that serves the room with the TV. That's the one you should use optical.
 
Man, you're making my head hurt. The cable I mentioned to pull is not the HDMI, but the one running out from your tv to your stereo. I'm real confused now about this second AV receiver. What does it serve? Can't you use RCA audio outs? The one you really care about is the one that serves the room with the TV. That's the one you should use optical.
ok one more time. Two TV's, two rooms, two audio receivers, one HD feed period. The only cable between the rooms is a HDMI cable. I wanted to use the digital out from the tV in the remote room to get a digital audio for the audio receiver in the far flung room as the 622 is 50 feet away. I can not move the 622 as it is feeding a TV in that room too. Yes I know we must watch the same HD program. That is not a problem as the two rooms are not usually in use at the same time. This causes me to ask if I SPLIT the toslink will it be a problem with a long toslink cable?
 
ok one more time. Two TV's, two rooms, two audio receivers, one HD feed period. The only cable between the rooms is a HDMI cable. I wanted to use the digital out from the tV in the remote room to get a digital audio for the audio receiver in the far flung room as the 622 is 50 feet away. I can not move the 622 as it is feeding a TV in that room too. Yes I know we must watch the same HD program. That is not a problem as the two rooms are not usually in use at the same time. This causes me to ask if I SPLIT the toslink will it be a problem with a long toslink cable?
So just to be sure about your setup:

In one room, you have a TV, A/V receiver and the 622. All short connections. You are taking the 622's optical output to feed the A/V receiver in that room and (I assume) analog component video (or S-Video) to feed the TV.

You've run an HDMI cable to a second room with a TV and A/V receiver. The HDMI feeds the TV and you're taking optical audio out from the TV to that room's A/V receiver.

Correct or incorrect? If incorrect, please supply a drawing as I think we're just not getting how you've got things connected.

Now some questions:

Do you watch off air from the second room's TV (via antenna)? If so, do you get audio from the S/PDIF output for SD channels? (that would be PCM audio). Do you get S/PDIF audio on HD channels?

If you select the HDMI input (the 622 in the other room), you say you get audio from the S/PDIF output on the TV for HD satellite channels, but not for SD satellite channels? Or is it just SD locals via satellite????

You've double checked to see that there's no DD/PCM options in the TV that you're taking optical audio out of right?

If you watch any off-air TV via the second room TV's antenna, you'll need a path to the A/V receiver if you run a direct signal from the 622 to the A/V receiver.

As far as splitting and running long toslink cables:

Splitting the optical output optically will reduce your available signal and probably shorten maximum distance considerably. You may be able to find an active optical splitter or one that takes optical in and outputs optical and coax. You could then run S/PDIF over coax to the A/V receiver.

Most Toslink cables use plastic fiber and are not recommended for 50'. Look for a glass fiber and you should be OK.


Another approach would be to replace the A/V receiver in the second room with one that has at least one HDMI input that will extract the audio from that stream. Then you can run HDMI from the A/V receiver to the TV. Might be the least expensive and easiest method.
 
Finally the truth comes out. It is amazing what a browbeating it takes to get all the facts together.

Toslink isn't particularly wonderful at long distances. Usually it is only good for about two dozen feet or so depending on the quality of the cable (most are plastic fiber versus optical fiber). Coaxial digital may be an alternative, but it requires a media converter at one or both ends.

I'd suggest hooking up RCA out of the distant TV to cover when you can't get audio and switch the AV receiver back and forth as necessary. HDMI capable receivers that aren't just pass-through are still pretty spendy.
 
In one room, you have a TV, A/V receiver and the 622. All short connections. You are taking the 622's optical output to feed the A/V receiver in that room and (I assume) analog component video (or S-Video) to feed the TV.

Yes S-video SD TV

You've run an HDMI cable to a second room with a TV and A/V receiver. The HDMI feeds the TV and you're taking optical audio out from the TV to that room's A/V receiver.

Yes coaxial audio but digital

Correct or incorrect? If incorrect, please supply a drawing as I think we're just not getting how you've got things connected.

Now some questions:

Do you watch off air from the second room's TV (via antenna)? If so, do you get audio from the S/PDIF output for SD channels? (that would be PCM audio). Do you get S/PDIF audio on HD channels?

I get audio from all OTA channels through the coax

If you select the HDMI input (the 622 in the other room), you say you get audio from the S/PDIF output on the TV for HD satellite channels, but not for SD satellite channels? Or is it just SD locals via satellite????

SD satellite only = no audio TV says the HD audio is Doby and SD audio is digital audio

You've double checked to see that there's no DD/PCM options in the TV that you're taking optical audio out of right?

Triple checked no TV settings that affect it either way

If you watch any off-air TV via the second room TV's antenna, you'll need a path to the A/V receiver if you run a direct signal from the 622 to the A/V receiver.

Got the coax feed and audio always works OTA

As far as splitting and running long toslink cables:

Splitting the optical output optically will reduce your available signal and probably shorten maximum distance considerably. You may be able to find an active optical splitter or one that takes optical in and outputs optical and coax. You could then run S/PDIF over coax to the A/V receiver.

Most Toslink cables use plastic fiber and are not recommended for 50'. Look for a glass fiber and you should be OK.


Another approach would be to replace the A/V receiver in the second room with one that has at least one HDMI input that will extract the audio from that stream. Then you can run HDMI from the A/V receiver to the TV. Might be the least expensive and easiest method.

eaisier perhaps but just bought the receiver and am retired and have taken a bath in the market. That would be a hard sell to wifey
 
Finally the truth comes out. It is amazing what a browbeating it takes to get all the facts together.

Toslink isn't particularly wonderful at long distances. Usually it is only good for about two dozen feet or so depending on the quality of the cable (most are plastic fiber versus optical fiber). Coaxial digital may be an alternative, but it requires a media converter at one or both ends.

I'd suggest hooking up RCA out of the distant TV to cover when you can't get audio and switch the AV receiver back and forth as necessary. HDMI capable receivers that aren't just pass-through are still pretty spendy.

thanks sorry if i wasn't clear. I knew what i meant. Sorry
 
SD satellite only = no audio TV says the HD audio is Doby and SD audio is digital audio
I did some digging and found this in the manual for a Philips PLF series manual:

"Due to legal requirements, it is possible that with certain copy
protected PCM audio qualities from a accessory device connected to
the HDMI input, the digital audio signal is muted."​

It's possible the 622 is flagging the PCM audio in the HDMI stream as copy protected. Or it's possible the TV assumes that all PCM audio is copy protected.

It would be interesting to try another HDMI source if you have one (like an upscaling DVD player or Blu-Ray player) that you can use to generate a PCM audio stream over HDMI.

I can't believe all SD channels would copy protect their audio so maybe it's how Dish Network is originating the program. Or it could be a bug in the 622.
 
I did some digging and found this in the manual for a Philips PLF series manual:

"Due to legal requirements, it is possible that with certain copy
protected PCM audio qualities from a accessory device connected to
the HDMI input, the digital audio signal is muted."​

It's possible the 622 is flagging the PCM audio in the HDMI stream as copy protected. Or it's possible the TV assumes that all PCM audio is copy protected.

It would be interesting to try another HDMI source if you have one (like an upscaling DVD player or Blu-Ray player) that you can use to generate a PCM audio stream over HDMI.

I can't believe all SD channels would copy protect their audio so maybe it's how Dish Network is originating the program. Or it could be a bug in the 622.
The DVD is the same as SD audio from 622 no sound from HDMI out to coax but the DVD is right there as opposed to the 622 so an easy fix with a coax to the audio amp

great find that explains a lot -- my son's samsung outputs everything. I guess i should have bought a samsung that is what i get fir being cheap. what i don't understand is why does dish do PCM on sd
 

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