Sony, Toshiba close to reaching common DVD standard

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TOKYO (AFP) - Sony and Toshiba may agree on a common standard for the next generation of DVD technology within a week, ending a battle for a dominant system that had raged in the industry.

The "blue laser" players will use light beams with a shorter wavelength than the red light of current DVD and CD players, promising higher data storage and picture quality to match high-definition television.

The two companies are close to hammering out a format that would couple Toshiba's software technology with Sony's disc structure, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun said, without citing sources.

This would end the battle for dominance between their incompatible systems -- the Blu-ray Disc format proposed by Sony and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., and the HD DVD standard supported by Toshiba.

The three firms have been in talks to craft a common standard and a detailed plan could be finalized at a May 16 meeting, the report said.

Toshiba rejected the report, however, saying it has no concrete plan, although it believed a single format would benefit consumers.

"At this point ... nothing has been decided and absolutely no decision has been made for unification on any basis," it said in a statement.

"The indication that a unificaiton agreement on the basis (of Sony's disc system) is imminent is unfounded and erroneous," it said.

For its part, Sony said it wanted to bring "the best consumer experience" and was "open for discussions with supporters of other formats".

However, it said, "we cannot comment on specifics beyond that, at this time".

The struggle between the major Japanese electronics firms has recalled the 1980s battle between the VHS and Betamax standards for video players that caused a split between home appliance makers and movie studios worldwide.

Some electronics firms, including Paris-based Thomson S.A., have said they will support both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats.

Supporters of the Blu-ray technology include Apple Computer, Dell Inc., Hewlett-Packard and Samsung Electronics.

Among the Hollywood studios, Walt Disney Co. and Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc. back Blu-ray, while HD DVD supporters include Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers Studios.

The Sony-led Blu-ray disc is expected to be able to store more data but it would also require greater revamping of current production lines, making it more expensive in the short term.

Toshiba's software, which offers efficient data transfer and copyright protection, would be incorporated into the unified format.
 
It's about time! This was going on for years!
 
Toshiba denies DVD deal as teams woo Hollywood
11 May 2005

As the Blu-ray Disc and high-definition DVD industry camps step up their bids to attract Hollywood's movie studios to their formats, Toshiba says that no deal on a unified next-generation standard has been agreed.

In a fresh bid to attract Hollywood’s movie studios, Toshiba says that it has developed a triple-layer version of its high-definition DVD disc that holds up to 45 GB of data.

The disc, which would be read by an optical head featuring a GaN-based blue laser diode, could record 12 hours of high-definition movies.

Meanwhile, the Japanese company has denied rumors that it has already struck a deal with its rivals in the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) to market a hybrid format of next-generation DVD technology.

Press reports in Japan have suggested that just such a deal, which would use the BDA’s disc structure and Toshiba’s software, is in the pipeline, but Toshiba said: “At this point, nothing has been decided, and absolutely no decision has been made for unification on any basis."

However, Toshiba acknowledged that is has been involved in discussions about format unification.

Toshiba has also revealed a novel disc technology that will allow consumers to view standard DVD content using existing players, as well as high-definition content with next-generation technology.

This hybrid solution features two 0.6 mm-thick discs bonded back-to-back. One has a 30 GB dual-layer for HD DVD conent, while the second has a 8.5 GB dual-layer for standard DVD content.

“The new disc allows consumers to view DVD content on standard DVD players and, after purchasing an HD DVD player, to enjoy high-definition content from the same disc,” said the company.

Meanwhile, Toshiba’s BDA rival Matsushita Electric Industrial is to start operating a pilot production line for Blu-ray Disc (BD) replication in Torrance, CA, this month. Full pilot production of single-layer BD-ROM discs is slated to begin in December.

Matsushita, which is known more widely by its Panasonic brand name, is also opening a technology center in the heart of Hollywood at Universal City, in which it plans to demonstrate the creation of BD titles to studios and production houses.

“This pilot production line and authoring technology center [will] help the BD industry get off to a smooth start,” said Matsushita executive Kazuhiro Tsuga.

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TOKYO (Reuters) - A senior official at Toshiba Corp. (6502.T) said establishing a unified format for next-generation DVDs based on technology backed by Sony Corp. (6758.T) would be very difficult, the Nihon Keizai newspaper reported on Monday.


Sony and Toshiba, heading rival groups, have waged a three-year war to have their new technology standards adopted by the industry and gain pole position in the multi-billion-dollar markets for DVD players, PC drives and optical discs.

"(Unifying the formats based on Sony technology) would be extremely difficult at this stage," the newspaper quoted Yoshihide Fujii, Toshiba's top negotiator, as saying about ongoing talks between the two camps.

The comment follows a weekend of negotiations between officials at Toshiba, which backs a new DVD technology called HD-DVD, and officials from Sony and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. (6752.T), which support a rival technology known as Blu-ray.

A Toshiba spokeswoman said the company could not immediately verify Fujii's comments. She also said Toshiba planned to continue negotiating with the rival camp for a unified format.

Blu-ray technology is backed by several other high-tech companies including Dell Inc. (Nasdaq:DELL - news), Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. (005930.KS) and Philips Electronics NV (PHG.AS).

The negotiations have been leaning toward unifying the formats based on a disc structure supported by the Blu-ray camp, according to a source close to the matter.

In Blu-ray, a layer to hold data is put on the surface of a substrate and covered by thin protective layers, while in HD-DVD discs, a memory layer is sandwiched between two substrates.

The two sides agree that it would be best for consumers to have a common format, but shifting to a rival standard could mean a delay in product development and the commercial launch, making unification difficult.

At the core of both formats are blue lasers, which have a shorter wavelength than the red lasers used in current DVD equipment, allowing discs to store data at the higher densities needed for high-definition movies and television.
 
The history repeats. There was a similar fight for the original DVD format. The same players...
 
Still Hope for Next-Gen DVD Accord

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Kimberly Hill, data-storage-today.com
Fri May 27, 1:23 PM ET



Although the competing groups led by Toshiba and Sony (NYSE: SNE - news) have not yet reached agreement on a common high-definition DVD format, there is hope that such an accord will be made. At least that is what Toshiba President Tadashi Okamura said at a gathering of Japanese executives this week.


The unified format might not come about until after both camps have released products based on their own, proprietary specifications, Okamura said. But that phase of the market's evolution should not last for long.

For his part, Ken Kutargai, a Sony executive largely credited with the success of the PlayStation gaming console, went on record saying that there still is time to reach agreement before hardware comes out, but that window is perhaps only a couple of weeks long.

Better Late Than Conflicting

Pushing back the release of high-definition players by six months or even a year would be better than releasing devices in competing formats, Yankee Group's Mike Goodman said.

A unified format is best for the industry, which means it is in the best interests of all companies involved, he noted.

Consumers that remember a similar war between formats when video players were introduced will hesitate to purchase players until the dust settles.

That means that the first players to roll off the lines will be expensive -- too expensive to jump-start the market for high-definition DVD.

Beyond Human Capabilities

Blu-ray -- the format developed and backed by Sony -- might be technically superior to HD-DVD, Goodman said. But at some point human beings simply are not able to perceive the kinds of differences that the manufacturers continue to fight over.

"On the audio side," he recalled, "at a certain point the formats were good enough and consumers just didn't care any more about improved audio quality."

That should be a lesson to the two sides of the DVD format war. The parties must agree on a format that is "good enough," said Goodman, and get on with the business of rolling out a new technology to the public.
 
The Battle of the Video Discs

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June 6 issue - The format fight between Betamax and VHS is an ancient memory, right? Actually, it might be time to get ready for the sequel. Today's DVDs, which store a maximum of 8.5 gigabytes in dual-layer mode, are perfect for the regular standard-definition TVs in most American homes. But for the relatively small but steady number of people buying high-definition televisions, also known as HDTVs, a new disc format is required to store the higher-quality video. Enter Toshiba and NEC with HD-DVD. Using a blue laser instead of the red laser in current DVDs, it can store 30 gigabytes on two layers, and has the backing of Warner Bros., Paramount and Universal.


But Sony and Matsushita have countered with their own blue-laser technology called Blu-ray, which has more capacity, storing 50 gigabytes on two layers. Blu-ray has the support of Sony Pictures and Disney (which includes Miramax and Dimension). Moreover, it's backed not only by an all-star list of consumer-electronics companies like Samsung, Pioneer and Hitachi, but also PC manufacturers Dell, Apple and HP, which see a limitless demand for storage in businesses and the increasingly digital home. And studios can use the extra space for higher-quality video or increased storage; imagine all three "Lord of the Rings" special editions on one disc.

So what happens when an unstoppable force (HD-DVD's studio support) meets an immovable object (Blu-ray's hardware backing)? You get a stalemate, and it's becoming more acrimonious by the day. Unification talks between the camps broke down a couple of weeks ago, and both sides are digging in. The HD-DVD folks upped the ante by announcing a 45-gigabyte triple-layer disc, only to see the Blu-ray camp respond with an announcement of a 100-gigabyte disc on four layers. Meanwhile, both sides risk alienating consumers if these corporate titans can't make a deal soon, before both products arrive in stores early next year. "If you need two machines to play both discs, the market will be stillborn," says Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix. If we were forced to give out an Oscar today, we'd hand it to Blu-ray, but if these guys don't start acting in unison, this sequel could get a thumbs down.
 
HVD 1 TB of data storage

Yes and we all know who lost that fight and Sony bathed in BETA red ink for years ....

The sensible thing is to bring on HD-DVD now with VC-1 and or MPEG-4 encoding there is no issue for storage of HDTV movies ( with lossless 8 channel DTS , DVD-A audio surround ) on HD-DVD ...

Later on we can talk about 45GB or 50GB recording models ...

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_05/pr1002.htm

If the wait to long HVD will be here with 400GB - 1TB storage capacity ...

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000447030408/
 
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