i was talking to a guy at a video store yesterday about satellites and a guy overheard us and afterwards we talked a bit of c band. he said he no longer has a bud but a receiver that he paid 900 dollars for a receiver 6 yrs ago, so i asked if it was a 4dtv and he said yes and it still works. he said he would take 60 bucks for it and i said deal! i am heading to pick it up right now and will have some questions i am sure once i set it up later today. good deal huh?