If you can see 137W (I know Scott cant) they are on that sat too in DVB so easier to pick up
I know waiting on a few more leaves too fall. I can see that way but a couple of oaks are blocking me at 137W. And if all goes well after leaves fall and by spring if I still can't get 'em on 87W the chain saw shall come out. I usually don't even for a second hesitate on cutting trees for a sat signal, but these are our big shade trees. So I am giving a little more time and also see what happens with SES-2 and see if the channels on 87W go to DBS like was mentioned before. However if in the same boat this spring sorry trees..