Funny Tony, you want to try messing about with a big dish in the Glasgow weather, not as cold as here, but it feels like it as its a damp cold, the wind blowing at 70mph sleet and snowing sideways, in the winter its even worse : ) I had to boil a pot of water many times and pour it over my motor to un freeze it! (don't try this at home), I had an 8 foot off set dish and a 1 meter mesh dish for motorizing, (also had a squareial, an 18" square flat dish I used for the French secam satellites) a lot of mesh dish over in the UK, being such a small island the wind is a problem, wonder why they are not as popular here?