Right. Dish does use the PSIP for other than the program descriptions. It sure would be nice if they would open it up for us to select using the PSIP or Dish date. But, I know, Dish is making money on requiring subscriptions to LIL for data on the OTA's. I don't like it, but as a business I feel it is their choice, and if we can't live with it, we should go to the competition
OTA Program Guide on Dish Receiver
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I think if you pay for your locals you should be able to get DISH guide information as well as PSIP data for those channels that DISH doesn't provide data for.
There's a reason Dish, DirecTV, and Tivo all just so happen to not use PSIP data with their DVRs. Think it's a coincidence ?
In my area (Madison, WI) Dish doesn't give full program information for our PBS sub-channel that is Create:
Call letters: WHA
21.3
Funny thing is that on another, older TV equipped with DTVPal, the Create channels details do show up. Isn't DTVPal a Dish product?
Call letters: WHA
21.3
Funny thing is that on another, older TV equipped with DTVPal, the Create channels details do show up. Isn't DTVPal a Dish product?
It happen once before
You know I remember being wrong once before so I guess it can happen a 2nd time
. Last time I played w/ a Tivo was the 1st gen unit, so I guess I was just informed incorrectly on how it received it's data.
You know I remember being wrong once before so I guess it can happen a 2nd time
. Last time I played w/ a Tivo was the 1st gen unit, so I guess I was just informed incorrectly on how it received it's data.
The DTVPal uses PSIP data or TVGOS data. Your Dish satellite receiver does not.
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only show Digital Service in the grid, unlike the Directv boxes (H20-100s) which show everything from multiple markets.
only show Digital Service in the grid, unlike the Directv boxes (H20-100s) which show everything from multiple markets.
Just to help everyone understand this better. If you don't, it can be very confusing.
If you use your TV tuner (or a terrestrial OTA digital box such as the DTV Pal) to receive OTA signals, you should be OK and this thread is not for you.
If you use your Dish satellite receiver to receive OTA terrestrial signals, Dish is actually sending you the guide information. Not the station you are receiving. This is what we are trying to fix.
Madisonmom, what do you mean by not giving "full" info? Can you be more specific?
WPTD, Dayton OH's PBS affiliate, now has the correct guide data for 16-01.
16-02 is now showing "Digital Service" though.
16-02 is now showing "Digital Service" though.
You can enter 2 zip codes and obtain programming information for all the channels in that DMA. This is in addition to the primary zip code for the service address. And it shows complete info in the grid, NOT just DIGITAL SERVICE...how helpful is that
Come on DISH, get with the program.
Same issue...I have locals and OTA in the guide, and most of the channels just show "Digital Service", even though the Dish equivalent is correct. Some of the OTA channels don't have a Dish equivalent, like "9.3 - PBS Create" but there are others that just don't map.
On a separate note, the Dish Remote Access listings are even more messed up, with all the major networks showing up on other major networks' guide. I guess I won't worry about that yet...
I'm in Bozeman, MT, and all of the listings are correct at ZAP2it. Who should I contact to get this resolved?
Thanks...
On a separate note, the Dish Remote Access listings are even more messed up, with all the major networks showing up on other major networks' guide. I guess I won't worry about that yet...
I'm in Bozeman, MT, and all of the listings are correct at ZAP2it. Who should I contact to get this resolved?
Thanks...
Remember too, if Dish doesn't carry the "main" channel at all, they won't provide any guide data. In the case of your PBS, does Dish carry the main PBS channel via satellite ? If so, you'll get guide data. In the case of missing data for some of the sub-channels, Dish most likely has the wrong data and they don't get a matching entry to map with. If you have a local TBN (religious) channel or some independent stations that Dish doesn't carry and get them via OTA, you'll (we) likely never get guide data.
Yes. I agree on that. That's a good compromise. If we pay, then open up the rest of the PSIP as an option for us. Since these are "Satellite" boxes and not OTA boxes, Dish doesn't have to allow the full PSIP and run afoul of the FCC. Still stinks.
I get your point, but I think it may have more to do with legacy: The PSIP doesn't have near the breadth of information provided by Tribune. I'm referring to categories and other search criteria as well as program descritions. Use of the PSIP would render TiVo's excellent and powerful Search (and Swivel Search as it does search OTA as well) and Wish List options virtually useless. Both Dish and Direct feel they have sufficient guide data since they already pay for it, and the PSIP in many markets can be unreliable, for the present, or provide less data and info descriptions than Tribune. However, you are correct, they have all calculated the cost of the guide data and set prices such that they get a return, however small, on it.
DTVPal uses PSIP; Dish sat boxes do not, at least for program descriptions. Yes, the same here in LA: no program descriptions for the Create channel on only one of 4 PBS stations here. They all have several sub-channel, yet not a one of them is the same. All different sub-channel programming, so one can't use another station for guide data.
My dtv pal plus dvr uses Tv guide information for most of my channels because my local CBS station transmits it ota. Not all areas have tv guide transmitting stations and if so , they use psip. Even my sub channels have guide data . To me this is a good compromise to allow psip to fill in any channels that DISH doesn't cover.
Also in regards to PSIP, by design, it only seems to offer a few days worth of information. How much memory do simple set-tops have to store this data ? I think the FCC recommends (but do they enforce ?) that stations provide 'x' days worth. It's (PSIP) intention may have been more along the lines of "what's on now" as well as maybe "what's on in the next few hours".
