OFFICIAL DISH / FOX ORDEAL DISCUSSION THREAD

[osu1991]

This is the only time of the year that I watch FSN, so I could care less if they get an agreement with Fox after the next month. I have an antenna for our locals should any of them ever choose to be pulled.

It is pretty obvious that Fox isn't going to do anything until Nov 1 when they can leverage the Fox O&O's and get people mad about not seeing the world series or the NFL without using an antenna. FX and National Geo don't have enough of an audience to drastically affect Dish's customer base. They need to get rid of about 50 or more channels out there and maybe we could watch something other than paid programming and the same repeats over and over on several channels.

 

[stardust3]

I am NOT a dish fan boy & I am NOT a big TV watcher either. That said I am siding with dish on this issue. Natgeo was a channel I watched, but am not willing to cxl over this. If people want to fight back with these programmers, the best thing they can do is support their provider by just ignoring this dispute & going on as business as usual. It would be different if these channels were commercial free, but they're not. Talk about double dipping, we have all flamed dish for it, but I'll be damned if I'll give in to some programmers demands regardless of how popular they are. The bottom line is, when does it become too much $$$, value & content for the money. There has to be a middle point, for now dish is still a good value for me less the channels in dispute.

 

[Mojo Jojo]

If this does happen, would only Fox O & O affiliates be lost?

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

If this does happen, would only Fox O & O affiliates be lost?

Yes just O&O stations.

 

[lakebum431]

You guys obviously don't get OTA. Most people do.

Most? No. Most people CAN maybe. But the vast majority of people do not have an OTA setup.

 

[radiator65]

When is FoxNews up for negotiations?

 

[YodaJM]

Yes just O&O stations.

Is there a way to find out if your local FOX station is an O&O station. I live in Los Angeles and I assume our station O&O by FOX but I'd like to know for sure.

 

[Mojo Jojo]

Most? No. Most people CAN maybe. But the vast majority of people do not have an OTA setup.

Some local channels may also be difficult to receive especially if you do not live in the actual city of the affiliate(s).

 

[inazsully]

dont watch natgeo dont watch rsn's and im not going to miss fx terribly. From my point of view, it isn't about giving whiny contract subs what they want, it is about for me anyway, keeping the bills reasonable for what I want to see, and at this point I'm not out all that much and couldn't care less if they drop locals here as they were always just a bonus for me.

Yep, it's all about you. You don't watch the RSN's but millions in the major market areas do. I seldom watch FX or NatGeo but I sure don't want to lose them, especially since I'm paying for them. If you don't care about losing the FOX locals then you are in a vast minority. Most folks kind of balk at paying for something and then having it taken away with no discourse. Kind of the way I was raised.

 

[Mojo Jojo]

Is there a way to find out if your local FOX station is an O&O station. I live in Los Angeles and I assume our station O&O by FOX but I'd like to know for sure.

According to Wikipedia, the following are Fox O & O affiliates:


* Atlanta: WAGA-TV (channel 5)
* Austin, Texas: KTBC-TV (channel 7)
* Boston: WFXT (channel 25)
* Chicago: WFLD-TV (channel 32)
* Dallas: KDFW-TV (channel 4)
* Detroit: WJBK-TV (channel 2)
* Houston: KRIV (channel 26)
* Los Angeles: KTTV (channel 11)
* Memphis: WHBQ-TV (channel 13)
* Minneapolis: KMSP-TV (channel 9)
* New York City: WNYW (channel 5)
* Ocala, Florida: WOGX (channel 51)
* Orlando: WOFL (channel 35)
* Philadelphia: WTXF-TV (channel 29)
* Phoenix: KSAZ-TV (channel 10)
* Tampa: WTVT (channel 13)
* Washington, D.C.: WTTG (channel 5)
[Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owned-and-operated_television_stations_in_the_United_States]

Looks like you are right about your Los Angeles Fox affiliate...

 

[YodaJM]

Yeah I figured they would own all the major city ones.

D* keeps looking more and more attractive.

 

[Mojo Jojo]

Yeah I figured they would own all the major city ones.

D* keeps looking more and more attractive.

I do not want this to become the D* v. E* thread, but if you really think so, then maybe you should consider it.

Your first year may be cheaper but maybe not after that. It depends on the number of TVs you have along with the type of programming that you want. So, only you will know if it is a good choice or not. From my personal experience with D*, I would say that the grass is not always greener on the other side. However, some people have had better experiences with them.

I think that you should go for whatever you are happy with. Again, personally, I like the movie channels that E* offers. Some people do not, and some people like their sports. On another personal note, I think the sports industry gets paid enough already. I am sure some people will probably hate what I posted, but that is how I honestly feel.

I would recommend looking at pricing, equipment fees, channel lineups/offerings, etc. before making a decision.

Oh, by the way, I should also point out that some people have both E* and D*, and some people have cable, E*, and D*.

Please do not take it personally if it comes across as rude. I would not even mind helping you compare the two if needed.

 

[YodaJM]

I won't derail it either, but I have considered the pricing, channels lost/gained and equipment differences (D* would be a free upgrade as I'm only using a 625 atm).

Losing FSN during college football season is killing us here, and losing the local Fox channel would be the kill shot.

Just my $0.02

 

[Likesspace]

Hi guys,
New here but thought I would chime in.

Today I have spent a LOT of time looking over the Directv offerings and I admit that I am seriously considering making the switch.

This is honestly NOT because I am siding with Fox, nor is it because I am unhappy with Dish. It is simply a choice based on possibly losing my local Fox programming, and having lost my FSMW programming.

Personally I think that both sides are at fault. I feel that Fox is trying to maximize their profit margin while Dish is doing the same. I also feel that neither one of them care enough about the customers who are being hurt over this dispute.

By looking at my personal situation I could save some money, both in the short term and in the long term, by making a move to Directv. My only issue is that I'm very familiar with Dish, (have been with them for the last 12+ years), but am NOT familiar with Directv.
This gives me pause since I will be signing into a two year agreement that I don't have with Dish.

Anyway, like others have said, if I lose my local Fox I will have to make the switch.
My family watches a lot of Fox programming and they've already said we need to make plans in case this does happen.
Unfortunately, OTA is not an option for me without a large up front cost since I live about 90 miles from the nearest transmitter.

Anyway, I just thought I would say what's been on my mind concerning this issue. I really just hope that Dish and Fox comes to terms before things get so far out of hand that I have no choice but to switch.

 

[Mike_H]

"...fair in negotiations..."

Isn't it a two-way street, just as it is two sides to every story?

"We're not asking anything from Dish that we're not already receiving from our other partners," said Mike Hopkins, the Fox senior executive leading the negotiations across the table from Shull.

So what is being asked for Fox to be "fair in negotiations" is to have Fox treat Dish Network more special than compared to all of their other distributors?

So because other companies are stupid, Dish needs to be stupid? Regardless of what others are willing to do, Fox is now supposed to be negotiating with Dish. If the reports are true, and Fox is asking for "significant" increases, increases beyond what has been customary in the past for Dish, then I feel dish is right to balk. If Dish protecting it's margins helps allow me to to keep my costs reasonable, i'll support them.

 

[Mojo Jojo]

I won't derail it either, but I have considered the pricing, channels lost/gained and equipment differences (D* would be a free upgrade as I'm only using a 625 atm).

Losing FSN during college football season is killing us here, and losing the local Fox channel would be the kill shot.

Just my $0.02

Understandable if you are college sports fans.

 

[Mojo Jojo]

Hi guys,
New here but thought I would chime in.

Today I have spent a LOT of time looking over the Directv offerings and I admit that I am seriously considering making the switch.

This is honestly NOT because I am siding with Fox, nor is it because I am unhappy with Dish. It is simply a choice based on possibly losing my local Fox programming, and having lost my FSMW programming.

Personally I think that both sides are at fault. I feel that Fox is trying to maximize their profit margin while Dish is doing the same. I also feel that neither one of them care enough about the customers who are being hurt over this dispute.

By looking at my personal situation I could save some money, both in the short term and in the long term, by making a move to Directv. My only issue is that I'm very familiar with Dish, (have been with them for the last 12+ years), but am NOT familiar with Directv.
This gives me pause since I will be signing into a two year agreement that I don't have with Dish.

Anyway, like others have said, if I lose my local Fox I will have to make the switch.
My family watches a lot of Fox programming and they've already said we need to make plans in case this does happen.
Unfortunately, OTA is not an option for me without a large up front cost since I live about 90 miles from the nearest transmitter.

Anyway, I just thought I would say what's been on my mind concerning this issue. I really just hope that Dish and Fox comes to terms before things get so far out of hand that I have no choice but to switch.

I agree that the consumer is definitely losing over this unneeded battle.

Have you tried watching FOX shows online? I know that shows like Glee are on hulu, and my friend said they are on the FOX site since she missed an episode one week.

 

[DustoMan]

So okay since calling DISH doesn't seem to do anything besides getting a couple bucks off your bill and some PPV coupons. Is there a number we can call to let FOX know that we are upset that they can't come up with a deal with DISH that is fair? I mean, I know they kinda hold all the cards, but there has to be something we can do to tell them that having this dispute with DISH and making them take away our channels isn't exactly making them look good either.

 

[legatebroke]

When is FoxNews up for negotiations?

I would pay extra if they lost that channel today.

 

[TheKrell]

You didn't see the prominently displayed phone numbers on the Dish sites such as DISH VS Fox ?