OFFICIAL DISH / FOX ORDEAL DISCUSSION THREAD
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I don't know why you felt the need to provide evidence, most people on here know that you know what you are talking about when it comes to DirecTV. I agree with you too, Fox will not pull channels off of *D, the working relationship is too close. They won't even threaten it, hell, the contracts will be signed before it even comes close to that point.
Just for the record, I am fully on the side of Dish in this dispute.
Dish Network created Dish America and AT120. They package the channels they see fit, and sell it to customers.HDRoberts said:
So if you want a service that provides a la carte, I'd respectfully suggest to start one.
And, as I pointed out in that post, the issue seems to be that Fox wants RSNs in those packs. Pack locations are determined more by contract these days than provider choice. And they want to take away my choice.
And as soon as I get that DBS licence and $500,000,000 to build and launch a sat, I'll get right on that.
Which is another reason why Direct and Fox will not go through this same problem when their contract expires well after 2010. Direct already places their RSNs in their lowest package
FYI. I just received, and I assume every other "E" sub in Arizona received, an e-mail from COX telling me that if I switched from "E" COX would include a free HDDVR, 3 months of HBO and Showtime, free installation, a free Wii, their best HD package which includes a total of 270 channels (not all HD of course), for $39mo for the first year. I have my reasons for turning this offer down but I think it shows the potential damage that "E" may face. And COX is only mentioning FSNAZ, Nat Geo, FX. No mention about the probable loss of FOX channel 10.
Huh? I'm fairly certain AT120 will exist even if Dish Network agrees to be like every other provider and add the Fox RSN's. That doesn't take away your choice, if the package still exists.HDRoberts said:
A free Wii? Really? That's wild...
Ghpr13
It's to make up for all the time one has to waste on the Motorola HDDVR.
You have stated the issue eloquently!
My $5.00, although I think your figure is low and the actual amount is closer to $10.00 per subscriber - buys me NOTHING, because we do not watch sports channels.
Not only do we not watch sports channels, but we are getting tired of paying for those who do.
TAKE AWAY ALL OF THE SPORTS CHANNELS FROM MY SUBSCRIPTIONS - THEY ARE ALL BLOCKED.
THEN LOWER MY BILL BY THE COST OF THOSE SUBSCRIPTIONS.
Yes it does, as it will raise the price of that pack as expensive RSNs are added. Plus, I get to tell MLB, and NBA I don't care for overpriced sports by not subbing.
So about 1 year.
Thats not that far away.
But, Most likly by then I'll be a cable subscriber, since they seem to be putting out more HD now then D*, and the carry comcast Philly in HD as well as Red Zone,YES,more locals HD DVR that can now use an external hard drive, 15 MBPS for what seems less then D* can offer.
If Dish had the guts to be modify their business plan and drop all high priced sports channels (Fox ESPN Comcast , etc. ) Dish could cut the cost of all their packages by $10 - $20 bucks depending on how much they were marking the sports channels up.
While they would lose several million subscribers who are sports fanatics, how many subscribers would they gain from households that would find a hundred channel package for $23 - $28 very attractive? In my opinion they would gain more subscribers than they would loose.
Jim
While they would lose several million subscribers who are sports fanatics, how many subscribers would they gain from households that would find a hundred channel package for $23 - $28 very attractive? In my opinion they would gain more subscribers than they would loose.
Jim
Problem is, those sports channels control more than sports. Disney owns not only ESPN, but the Disney Channel and ABC Family. Fox has (obviously) FX, Nat Geo Wild, Fox Movie Channel, and so on. Comcast owns E!, Style, and G4 (not to mention Versus, but that is also a sports channel). Going without sports would also const them much other programming. I have to agree, your option sounds great, but programmers have already guarded against that.
C band has packages without sports and fewer channels. In the past few years the cost is almost a high as with the sports channels on pizza. Do you really think Dish would give that saved money to the subscriber? They would pass 10% on to the sub and put 90% in their pocket. So in short you would end up with less for a couple bucks less.
If you want to look into the future with this look at the past with the big dish. The programmers own not only sports but basic channels. Fox for one wanted to force the bud to carry all or nothing at high rates so C band bailed. Disney is another one, although Disney is a popular channel and one would think they would want to promote it anyway they can since there are in a battle with Nick for number one. They asked insane rates for it because they are associated with ESPN. ESPN came up with a lame excuse about blackouts preventing them from selling to c band digital. Actually when Disney and ESPN were alacarte on the big dish. They were some of the most expensive channels out there rivaling HBO.
The greedy programmers got smart and are now forcing the all or nothing rules and going after where the money is being made on pizza and cable. I don't think they care if they loose a provider over cost. They will just jack the cost up for the rest of them. There has to be a tipping point of how much Joe sixpack will pay. I think they are approaching it very fast.
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It might raise the price, but it didn't take away your choice. AT120 would still exist.HDRoberts said:
And once again, you don't subscribe to "ESPN" or "FSN", you subscribe to AT120. The only check you write is to Dish Network, for a subscription to AT120. You aren't telling the sports teams or leagues anything: the lowest tier receives ESPN, so MLB and NBA are indirectly receiving money from you anyway.
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