The problem with the other sat forum is there are a lot of people there who just want to try and show how smart they are, they never help any one just posture a lot, this forum seams to be level headed, and helpful, which I appresheate, I remember once on the other forum a few years ago, there was a discussion about how big of a dish you HAD to have to receive C band, if you did not have at least a 10 footer you where an idiot, and it all came down to those who had the equipment to test the signal telling those of us with smaller dishes that our signal was junk even though it looks fine to me!!!