Now that the PS3 has flopped as a game machine

[vurbano]

Its inarguable that the PS3 is a failure as a game machine. No games, all the price drops and developers steering away from it. Looks like a Sega Saturn without Sonic to me. Can this failed game machine keep BD alive? take the poll:
PS3 flop = Blu-Ray flop? - AVS Forum

 

[alexgmny]

Does that mean that sony is currently working on PS4?

 

[navychop]

No, it just means Vurbano is on the loose again.

Let's see: The PS3 has sold about as many units as the Xbox 360 did in it's first year or so. The PS3 hardware is far more reliable (sent your 360 in for repair- yet?). There are, I believe, 3 versions of the 360 at differing price points. Must mean the 360 is down the tubes, right? Price reductions as the cost of manufacturing goes down- wow, who ever heard of that?

Yep, Sony should have had more games out at rollout and supported developers more. But games are being released and better ones are on the way. "No games" and "inarguable" are only in the wishful thinking of certain people. And despite what they may "think" their opinions won't affect the success or failure of certain products one whit.

 

[teamerickson]

No, it just means Vurbano is on the loose again.

I for one appreciate his efforts!

 

[meStevo]

I do believe that as a gaming machine, given existing market momentum, the PS3 has flopped as a console. Mismanagement of this brand will make history for the squandered marketshare and the failure of the Sony execs in charge to transition the massive install base to the new generation.

When proponents can stop pointing people to future titles and instead highlight the features and offerings of what is purchasable today, as a product superior than the alternatives, can it even really be considered a contender worth arguing about in this generation.

I'll be the first to admit the above is a bit over the top, even premature, but so was the PS3. I've said this in other threads, but it's worth mentioning again... how much worse off would Sony be if they released this thing on time (Spring 06)?

 

[diogen]

...how much worse off would Sony be if they released this thing on time (Spring 06)?

Blu-ray wasn't ready.
And Kutaragi decided PS3 has to have it... He was God around that time (and deservedly so).

Diogen.

 

[stellar832000]

NavyChop your obviously in denial...let me guess you've been with sony since playstation 1? ... im going to have to agree with elstevo.

 

[bsk116]

No, it just means Vurbano is on the loose again.

Let's see: The PS3 has sold about as many units as the Xbox 360 did in it's first year or so. The PS3 hardware is far more reliable (sent your 360 in for repair- yet?). There are, I believe, 3 versions of the 360 at differing price points. Must mean the 360 is down the tubes, right? Price reductions as the cost of manufacturing goes down- wow, who ever heard of that?

Yep, Sony should have had more games out at rollout and supported developers more. But games are being released and better ones are on the way. "No games" and "inarguable" are only in the wishful thinking of certain people. And despite what they may "think" their opinions won't affect the success or failure of certain products one whit.

Very well said, and if the PS3 is so bad and HDDVD is outselling BLU-RAY in standalone players, why do the HD movie sales indicate a 2:1 lead for BLU-RAY?

 

[VinceT3]

I had a PS1 & a PS2 and I was very much looking forward to the PS3 and mind you I never owned the original xbox.. eventually I got tired of waiting for sony.. kept hearing all the good things about the 360 so I got a 360 figuring I would get the PS3 when it came out..

now I waited a looooong time to buy the 360 .. and waited even longer for the PS3 to come out and when it did I was so unimpressed I wound up never getting the PS3.. unfortunately I'm not the only previous PS# owner to think this way..

So as far as I'm concerned the PS3 is the new Sega Saturn.. and I don't expect much for it..

Also owning a PSP I can tell you Sony isn't very good at getting any worth while games on their systems. The PSP was supposed to link with the PS3 and play games, be used as an extra controller, etc.. but what did they do with it? Linked classic game downloads for the PSP to the PS3.. so disappointing.. Though I did hear that A (that's right 1) game took advantage of using the psp for remote game play.. I just have to say I'm very disappointed in sony over the whole thing..

 

[navychop]

NavyChop your obviously in denial...let me guess you've been with sony since playstation 1? ... im going to have to agree with elstevo.

I'm not a gamer, never have been. My PS3 is for Blu-ray movies only- I don't own a single game. Don't like Sony or buying their products (I'll never forget the root kit).

But I can see which product has the superior specs- capacity, future capacity, transfer rate. I can read sales figures for titles (2:1 YTD) and count players (about 6 times as many devices able to play Blu-ray as HD DVD). I can see that there are only two really big HD DVD releases for the remainder of the year: Transformers and Shrek 3. A lot more big titles will be released thru the end of the year on Blu-ray. I can see that Disney is firmly in the Blu-ray camp. Most of all, I read ever more pathetic claims from the HD DVD camp, such as "Blu-ray is fragile and scratches easy, the hard coatings don't work" (long since abandoned) and the claims for Xmas '06 that Disney was moving to HD DVD. I see HD DVD defenders resort more and more to personal attacks and snide comments. I see the HD DVD camp claim that the PS3 game machines "don't count" when they try to say they have more players- but they count the PS3 when they want to claim better "attach rates." Posts here and elsewhere, and articles, misrepresent the PS3 sales- it's selling at about the same rate the Xbox 360 did at the same stage of "life." Granted, not as fast as Sony had predicted. And the large failure rate of the Xbox 360 is minimized.

It's all marketing BS. The Blu-ray camp does similar. But the PS3 keeps selling, more stand alone BD players are selling, more companies are entering the market with BD players (have you REALLY seen an HD DVD player that wasn't built by Toshiba?). It just seems Toshiba is winning the Bullsh!t war and Sony et al is winning the sales war. The most Toshiba can hope for is to co-exist with Blu-ray.

As to who's in denial, I refer you to the comment by bsk116.

 

[mwgiii]

I won't consider the PS3 as a gaming flop until the end of 2008, although it is not looking very healthy right now.

A large percentage of LTD PS3 sales are to people like navychop, who wanted a good but inexpensive Blu-ray player but have never bought a single game.

The just announced 40gb PS3 @ $399 hits the correct price point, but inexplainable has ZERO backwards compatibility with the PS2.

So good for Blu-ray, bad for gamers.

 

[meStevo]

I won't consider the PS3 as a gaming flop until the end of 2008, although it is not looking very healthy right now.

A large percentage of LTD PS3 sales are to people like navychop, who wanted a good but inexpensive Blu-ray player but have never bought a single game.

The just announced 40gb PS3 @ $399 hits the correct price point, but inexplainable has ZERO backwards compatibility with the PS2.

So good for Blu-ray, bad for gamers.

But that's ok, because it will come with Spider-Man 3!

40GB PS3 model with Spider-man found at Sony store - PS3 Fanboy

 

[ONUOsFan]

A large percentage of LTD PS3 sales are to people like navychop, who wanted a good but inexpensive Blu-ray player but have never bought a single game.

A large percentage? What is that assumption based on? Some, yes - a few - but I think a "large percentage" is overstating it a bit...

There have been a few things that Sony has done with the PS3 that I COMPLETELY disagree with - this whole taking out BC thing is tops among them - and I do think that they have totally knocked themselves out of the realm of domination that they had with the PS2.

However, to call the system a flop is a huge overstatement - it will continue and I honestly think we will get to a point that it is equal to or ahead of the 360 in total hardware and software sales.

So yes, I think they've wasted the huge advantage they had with PS2, and it is a flop in that sense, but it's not going anywhere and it will still continue to be a viable gaming system for a long time. It probably won't catch up with the Wii anytime soon, if at all, because of the price points and the "accessibility" of the Wii, but I think it definitely can catch and pass the 360 in the "true" next-gen war.

 

[splino]

In an interiew with EDGE Magazine, Valve co-founder Gabe Newell has trashed Sony's PlayStation 3 again:

I think [PS3 is] a waste of everybody’s time. Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There’s nothing there that you’re going to apply to anything else. You’re not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they’ve created. I don’t think they’re going to make money off their box. I don’t think it’s a good solution.

 

[navychop]

Remember, they will continue to sell a version of the PS3 with BC. They will also offer a cheaper version without BC for those that don't want/need BC.

 

[vurbano]

They are cutting off features because they cant afford the blood letting anymore. They are losing a fortune subsidizing these things.

 

[navychop]

And you have a current link to support that claim? From a reputable, knowledgeable source?

 

[bsk116]

They are cutting off features because they cant afford the blood letting anymore. They are losing a fortune subsidizing these things.

Isn't Toshiba subsidizing as well?

 

[hpman247]

Isn't Toshiba losing quite a bit of money on thes players they are selling. I would think "yes." And to call the PS3 a flop is crazy. I refuse to have this debate anymore. Give the S3 8 months and then we'll see where we're at. Then after that, the next holiday season, then look at everything. HD-DVD will be gone, PS3 will be right up there with the 360 and NO ONE can say the PS3 has no games. That load of garbage will be gone by february. And thank goodness because i am so tired of hearing that garbage argument about a product that is less than a year into it's life cycle.

 

[teamerickson]

Isn't Toshiba losing quite a bit of money on thes players they are selling. I would think "yes." And to call the PS3 a flop is crazy.

Who knows if the 2nd and 3rd gen players are losing money. What we do know is the Sony's PS3 division is projected to lose around 2 billion this year. Maybe the cash cow lost its udders. That hurts!