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OTARD: FCC Fact Sheet on Placement of Antennas (an YES, a dish is an antenna too)
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...AND you must be within specif guidelines to have a dish on property you do not own. You can't blindly just have one and they can't blindly say no either; each of you must abide by specific rules.
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I live in a Senior housing conglomerate run by the county.Four apts to a unit,on the ground.I had a Sat since '96 till I moved here 18 mos ago.Must use cable,told" If we let you put up a sat then 40 others will want to have it,also.So cant permit the dish.Cable is a rinky-dink outfit with limited HD-Blue Ridge cable Co.I believe my rights are being violated as to erecting a Sat dish on a tripod on my patio,which gives me a straight shot to the SW.The FCC is supposed to have something in writing stating this.
A dish mounted on a tripod on your patio will be allowed and the FCC will side with you if you push the issue. Why does the management care if people do the same ? If they think people will be getting dishes installed on the roof, they're wrong. That's most likely NOT allowed and the FCC won't help them there.
One thing they could get you on is, how do you get the cabling from the dish inside to your unit ? If they say "no holes drilled", they are completely within their rights.
One thing they could get you on is, how do you get the cabling from the dish inside to your unit ? If they say "no holes drilled", they are completely within their rights.
But he could buy one of those "flat coax" cables and run it under the door or window
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I would ask for the policy in writing and *if* they have one request which parts of it are law and which are their own self implemented policy.
While the person you spoke with may believe it is in effect for cosmetic reasons, it may be for liability. I know here in Mass a lot of state assisted and state run programs limit what you can and can't have for insurance reasons.
While the person you spoke with may believe it is in effect for cosmetic reasons, it may be for liability. I know here in Mass a lot of state assisted and state run programs limit what you can and can't have for insurance reasons.
If apartments really don't want dishes everywhere, like many look, they should put appropriate dishes on the roof for each service and drop a line for whichever apartment wants that service. That's my thinking anyway.
You are SO right!
God I have said that 1000000000000000 time over; I really do think apartments must be taking some sort or bribes or kickbacks by NOT offering a building-wide dish (in addition to the cable outlet) so that each user can decide what THEY want in their home. Heck I have seen many new complexes that have setup their OWN personal "cable co" and don't even offer the normal metro-wide cable.
God I have said that 1000000000000000 time over; I really do think apartments must be taking some sort or bribes or kickbacks by NOT offering a building-wide dish (in addition to the cable outlet) so that each user can decide what THEY want in their home. Heck I have seen many new complexes that have setup their OWN personal "cable co" and don't even offer the normal metro-wide cable.
I went to a apt. complex the other day for a install since they only offer dish but they would not let me install it because some company they have a contract with is only allowed to install it and that company is ripping off these old people they do not allow them to get the receivers from dish they have to lease them from them and they charge a $300 deposit for a 625 telling them they cost $475 each
I own an apartment building and wish I would get free tv... everyone is allowed to put a dish on our roof or balconys as long as it's non penetrating roof mount or a skid. A few years ago we just about threw a Be** installer off the roof for not getting my permission, didn't sign the saftey waiver, was scratching the roof with the ladder and trying to drill into the roof! They've since change the policy about getting landlord permissions before starting work.
I'm curious. What kind of laws regarding satellite placement do they have where you are? Here they have the FCC rules which state you cannot be outright prevented from having a dish, but depending on the circumstance, reasonable restrictions may apply. Do they have anything similar up there in America's hat?
who pays for this?
Installers would love it!
The renter calls up Dish, who brings out a receiver and plugs it into the wall, and they're done!
I sat down with a buddy who owns several small apartment buildings recently, for a brainstorming session on just how to do this.
Many of the residents would want International, and of course you'd also need Hi Def.
So, for Dish Network, that's four satellite dishes.
Then there is liability for signal outages... who does the customer call?
Turned out, it would cost quite a bit of money for hardware, not to mention the expense running all the cables.
Support for the dual-tuner receivers complicated the matter, even more.
And this was just for Dish Network.
We never even considered DirecTV.
So, the idea was dropped.
On the surface, this sounds like a great idea for the renters.
Installers would love it!
The renter calls up Dish, who brings out a receiver and plugs it into the wall, and they're done!
I sat down with a buddy who owns several small apartment buildings recently, for a brainstorming session on just how to do this.
Many of the residents would want International, and of course you'd also need Hi Def.
So, for Dish Network, that's four satellite dishes.
Then there is liability for signal outages... who does the customer call?
Turned out, it would cost quite a bit of money for hardware, not to mention the expense running all the cables.
Support for the dual-tuner receivers complicated the matter, even more.
And this was just for Dish Network.
We never even considered DirecTV.
So, the idea was dropped.
If you do it yourself, yes. Dish Network has a commercial department. I've worked on commercial systems. There are two types. The more expensive, but less hassle for the customer QAM systems, which are essentially a small cable headend, and you use either a QAM receiver (351, 381) or a Qbox with a normal receiver to receive programming. Everything is mapped down to cable frequencies and goes through regular cable splitters. There's also the regular L-Band system which is great for small buildings. You have a 26" or 30" dish for each satellite location going into a bank of switches, with direct lines going to each room of each apartment. As expensive as that sounds, it's less than a QAM system. There's also a SMATV system. Those can be used in combination with a QAM or L-Band system to provide a selection of free channels and locals over analog frequencies (just like cable). But setting one up as your sole TV system is pretty gay. The tenant would only have whatever channels you manually install on the system, and it makes using a DVR difficult, because the listings won't match. Long story short: A building with a handful of apartments is best served with an L-Band system. A building with a crapload of apartments is best served with a QAM system. There usually isn't a lot of trouble with these systems, especially the L-Band ones. And if there is, generaly DNS takes care of it, as each customer has their own account. If you want to give it a second thought, you might want to contact Dish Network Commercial Services and ask a few questions.
I find this response interesting, as well as the previous one where the OP was going to pay a $75 fee and ask permission, while showing them the FCC memo.
Folks, they canno prevent you from erecting a DISH in your own controlled area, such as a patio. The HOA cannot prevent you from erecting a DISH on your property. They cannot charge a fee or ask for an approval period. See fhe following taken from the OTARD document (bold is mine):
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In Canada we have the CRTC they will be sending this information in a few days and I'll post it here.
Below is a link to Bell's permission request form for landlords.
http://www.bell.ca/web/tv/en/all_regions/pdfs/letterofpermission.pdf
Tyralak, here is the information you requested:
The Commission’s (CRTC) policy with respect to television distribution is to foster consumer choice among competing distributors of programming services.
With regard to multiple-unit dwellings, the Commission’s regulations generally prohibit a distributor from entering into an exclusive agreement with a building owner for the distribution of programming services to the building. Specifically, under the Commission’s regulations, a distributor may enter into such an exclusive arrangement with a building owner only when it is not technically feasible for more than one distributor to provide service to the building. Even then, the Commission has identified certain circumstances in which exclusive arrangements would be considered an "undue preference" and would, therefore, be prohibited under section 9 of the Broadcasting Distribution Regulations.
A distributor may complain to the Commission when it has reason to believe that a competing distributor has entered into an exclusive arrangement with a building owner. The Commission assesses such complaints against distributors on a case-by-case basis.
That being said, note that we do not intervene directly in contractual matters between a landlord and a tenant (for example, a landlord may decide that it does not want satellite dishes on his property). Further, the Commission is generally not in a position to compel an unwilling building owner to permit a competing distributor to provide service to a building.
The Commission’s (CRTC) policy with respect to television distribution is to foster consumer choice among competing distributors of programming services.
With regard to multiple-unit dwellings, the Commission’s regulations generally prohibit a distributor from entering into an exclusive agreement with a building owner for the distribution of programming services to the building. Specifically, under the Commission’s regulations, a distributor may enter into such an exclusive arrangement with a building owner only when it is not technically feasible for more than one distributor to provide service to the building. Even then, the Commission has identified certain circumstances in which exclusive arrangements would be considered an "undue preference" and would, therefore, be prohibited under section 9 of the Broadcasting Distribution Regulations.
A distributor may complain to the Commission when it has reason to believe that a competing distributor has entered into an exclusive arrangement with a building owner. The Commission assesses such complaints against distributors on a case-by-case basis.
That being said, note that we do not intervene directly in contractual matters between a landlord and a tenant (for example, a landlord may decide that it does not want satellite dishes on his property). Further, the Commission is generally not in a position to compel an unwilling building owner to permit a competing distributor to provide service to a building.
