Is there any ku stuff on 87W that is not s2. I don't see c-band in my future at all. Still using a coolsat 6000 with a 3abn 36" fixed dish, old hughes(directway) dish and dtv slimline. I'm retired and on a fixed income, so I just don't have the extra dough to spend on C-band or new stb's, motors, etc. I do wish people would stipulate c or ku band in their discussions here. I sometimes get really confused when following a thread only to find out later they are talking about c-band. I do really appreciate all the good info. and tips that I have read on here the last few years. There are some really knowledgeable folks here.