Newbie stuck on Viewsat

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zowiemama

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Hello,

Please, we are lost, lost, lost on trying to set up our Viewsat Extreme. I can relate so much to kaatskill! We're just now trying to switch to FTA from DirecTV adn we feel like we're about to go down for the 3rd time. I'll try to keep this as short as possible but it's really kind of a chocolate mess.

This is our equipment:
Viewsat VS2000 Extreme
90-cm Fortec Star FC-90 dish
STAB HH-90 motor
Invacom QPH-031 Quad LNBF
4 x 1 Diseqc
Upgrade Cable

Our lat/long is 33.1 N 94.1 W (zip 75551)

According to the STAB installation calculator at Sadoun, our dish elevation should 39.6.

So: we have our motor elevation at 33.1 and our dish elevation at 39.6.

Again with the help at Sadoun, we're understanding that our True South is -3 degrees of magnetic south, or 177 degrees, yes?

FIRST QUESTION: Does all of that sound OK so far?

Based on all that, we've made sure our mounting post is perfectly plumb, all the dish-related equipment everything is perfectly lined up, and followed exactly (as far as we can tell) all of these totally unrelated and uninformative manuals that came with the equipment, and we're still having difficulty (a)getting our first satellite, and/or (b) finding any viewable channels on other satellites we finally manage to find.

Problem is that we can't get a reasonable signal on any of the sats that are close to us -- no more than 60% or so on what we think is the signal strength column and hovering around 0% on the quality column. At least we think that's what they are because we can't find what these two columns are.

Finally, we decided to just pick a satellite (any satellite!) We decided to go with somebody's suggest to kaatskill and try for G10R. Same story -- about 60 strength and zero quality.

Finally, based on other reading, we decided to hook the new dish up to our old DirecTV box for the sake of the signal meter.

While we were looking at the DTV box, it gave us entirely different dish elevation info. It said we had been at elevation 48, azimuth 24, and tilt (whatever that is) 68. Hmm, that was interesting.

Anyhow: The DTV box picks up 101 and 119. So we motorized over to what we thought was 119, switched boxes, and went through the signal testing. The DTV box told us it had actually found 101, but it gave us a good strong 100% question.

THIRD QUESTION: We must have made an aiming mistake somewhere or other, but where?)

FOURTH QUESTION: Why would there be such a big difference in recommended elevations between the calculator result (39.6) and the DTV setting (48)?

Back to the story .Switched boxes again back to the ViewSat. We told it it was at 101 and set that position. Tried some other satellites. The only one we could really get good signal and quality on was one of the EchoStars (6, I think). Tried a scan of it anyway and got a lot of locked channels. No surprise, pay TV.

Tried some of the other satellites, including G10R. Got some more locked channels.

Tried a blind scan. Made it to the channel guide, which shows a bunch of locked channels and a few supposedly open ones, but the guide says "No Info" about all of them, even the open ones.

When we try to select one of the open channels, we still sit there at this increasingly aggravating Viewsat screen. No picture, no sound, no channels that we can actually get to.

We've started over about 5 times on this thing now and we're just about to throw it out the window. The dealer is zero help. The one good thing they did is refer us here.

THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS:
Are we skipping a step somewhere? I keep reading about downloading .bin files and Loader files and this file and that file. Is that something we're supposed to do before we even try the very first scan?

Also: Is there ANYBODY who can tell us how to figure out the Viewsat screens and icons? The manual seems to think you already have some knowledge about what it's talking about and of course it assumes everything will go correctly. Maybe it's something that's easy to understand if everything IS going correctly, but since it's not -- well....

We've tried so many things that I don't even remember them all. We're perfectly willing to start over again but we really need to find away around this brick wall before we bash our brains out on it. Any help at all, stated in kindergarten terms if possible, would be MOST appreciated.

Many thanks!
 
What channels are you after? As no bin files are needed for legal FTA channels.




The Viewsat is not the best receiver in the world to set up a motor with, I spent a week setting one up one day!!!!

Can I suggest you remove the motor for now and try to find ONE satellite before you jump in too deep trying to set them all up! (motor)


G3C @ 95º is your TRUE south satellite, I would try to find and store that WITHOUT the motor, all the angles WITHOUT the motor are below...........



Code:
                       Atlanta, TX 75551
          Latitude 33° 6.540'N Longitude 94° 9.876'W

                       Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m)   El  Skew
--------------------------------------------------------------
                               
                       Amos 1/2    4.0W 269.9 266.6 -8.7 -56.9
                               
                Atlantic Bird 3    5.0W  90.5  87.2 -7.9 -56.9
                               
                Nilesat 101/102    7.0W  91.5  88.3 -6.3 -56.9
                               
     Telecom 2D/Atlantic Bird 2    8.0W  92.1  88.8 -5.4 -56.8
                               
                     Express A3   11.0W  93.7  90.5 -3.0 -56.7
                               
                 (C) Express A4   14.0W  95.4  92.1 -0.5 -56.5
                               
                     Telstar 12   15.0W  96.0  92.7  0.4 -56.4
                               
                   Intelsat 901   18.0W  97.7  94.4  2.9 -56.1
                               
                          NSS 7   22.0W 100.0  96.7  6.2 -55.6
                               
                   Intelsat 905   24.5W 101.4  98.2  8.3 -55.2
                               
                   Intelsat 907   27.5W 103.3 100.0 10.8 -54.6
                               
                  Hispasat 1C/D   30.0W 104.8 101.5 12.9 -54.1
                               
                   Intelsat 801   31.5W 105.8 102.5 14.2 -53.7
                               
                   Intelsat 903   34.5W 107.7 104.5 16.7 -52.9
                               
                     (C) AMC 12   37.5W 109.8 106.5 19.2 -52.0
                               
                        NSS 806   40.5W 111.9 108.6 21.7 -51.0
                               
                      Pas 3R/6B   43.0W 113.7 110.5 23.7 -50.1
                               
                         Pas 1R   45.0W 115.3 112.0 25.4 -49.2
                               
               (C) Intelsat 705   50.0W 119.4 116.1 29.4 -46.9
                               
                   Intelsat 707   53.0W 122.0 118.7 31.7 -45.3
                               
               (C) Intelsat 805   55.5W 124.3 121.0 33.6 -43.8
                               
                          Pas 9   58.0W 126.8 123.5 35.5 -42.1
                               
                       Amazonas   61.0W 129.9 126.6 37.6 -40.0
                               
                     EchoStar 3   61.5W 130.4 127.2 38.0 -39.6
                               
                      Rainbow 1   61.5W 130.4 127.2 38.0 -39.6
                               
               Estrela do Sul 1   63.0W 132.1 128.8 39.0 -38.4
                               
               (C) Brasilsat B2   65.0W 134.4 131.1 40.4 -36.8
                               
               (C) Brasilsat B1   70.0W 140.6 137.3 43.5 -32.1
                               
                       Nahuel 1   72.0W 143.3 140.0 44.7 -30.1
                               
                      DirecTV 1   72.5W 144.0 140.7 45.0 -29.5
                               
                          AMC 6   72.0W 143.3 140.0 44.7 -30.1
                               
                          SBS 6   74.0W 146.1 142.8 45.8 -27.9
                               
                 Echostar/G4R 4   77.0W 150.5 147.2 47.3 -24.3
                               
                          AMC 5   79.0W 153.6 150.3 48.2 -21.9
                               
                      Nimiq 2/3   82.0W 158.5 155.2 49.3 -17.9
                               
                          AMC-9   83.0W 160.1 156.9 49.6 -16.5
                               
                (C)Brasilsat B3   84.0W 161.8 158.6 50.0 -15.1
                               
                          AMC 2   85.0W 163.5 160.3 50.2 -13.7
                               
                          AMC 3   87.0W 167.0 163.8 50.7 -10.8
                               
                           IA-8   89.0W 170.6 167.3 51.1  -7.9
                               
                      Galaxy 11   91.0W 174.2 170.9 51.3  -4.8
                               
                     Nimiq 1/4i   91.0W 174.2 170.9 51.3  -4.8
                               
                (C)Brasilsat B4   92.0W 176.0 172.8 51.4  -3.3
                               
                           IA-6   93.0W 177.9 174.6 51.5  -1.8
                               
                      Galaxy 3C   95.0W 181.5 178.3 51.5   1.3
                               
                           IA-5   97.0W 185.2 181.9 51.4   4.3
                               
                      Galaxy 16   99.0W 188.8 185.5 51.1   7.4
                               
                     Spaceway 2   99.2W 189.2 185.9 51.1   7.7
                               
                DirecTV 1R/4S/8  101.0W 192.4 189.1 50.8  10.3
                               
                          AMC 4  101.0W 192.4 189.1 50.8  10.3
                               
                     Spaceway 1  103.0W 195.9 192.6 50.3  13.3
                               
                          AMC 1  103.0W 195.9 192.6 50.3  13.3
                               
                         AMC 15  105.0W 199.3 196.0 49.7  16.1
                               
                       Anik F1R  107.3W 203.1 199.9 49.0  19.2
                               
                     (C) AnikF1  107.3W 203.1 199.9 49.0  19.2
                               
                      DirecTV 5  109.5W 206.7 203.4 48.1  22.1
                               
                  EchoStar 8/10  110.0W 207.4 204.2 47.9  22.7
                               
                        Anik F2  111.1W 209.1 205.9 47.4  24.1
                               
                       SatMex 6  113.0W 212.0 208.7 46.5  26.3
                               
                  Solidaridad 2  114.9W 214.7 211.4 45.5  28.5
                               
                       SatMex 5  116.8W 217.4 214.1 44.4  30.5
                               
                         AMC-16  119.0W 220.3 217.0 43.1  32.8
                               
                     DirecTV 7s  119.0W 220.3 217.0 43.1  32.8
                               
                     EchoStar 7  119.0W 220.3 217.0 43.1  32.8
                               
          EchoStar 9/Telstar 13  121.0W 222.8 219.5 41.9  34.7
                               
                     Galaxy 10R  123.0W 225.2 222.0 40.6  36.5
                               
                  (C) Galaxy 14  125.0W 227.5 224.3 39.3  38.2
                               
                   Galaxy 13/H1  127.0W 229.8 226.5 37.9  39.7
                               
 Intelsat Americas 7/Echostar 5  129.0W 231.9 228.6 36.4  41.2
                               
                     (C) AMC 11  131.0W 233.9 230.6 35.0  42.6
                               
                  (C) Galaxy 15  133.0W 235.8 232.6 33.5  43.9
                               
                     (C) AMC 10  135.0W 237.7 234.4 32.0  45.1
                               
                      (C) AMC 7  137.0W 239.5 236.2 30.4  46.2
                               
                      (C) AMC 8  139.0W 241.2 237.9 28.8  47.2
                               
                   EchoStar 1/2  148.0W 248.2 245.0 21.5  51.1

       Satellite Finder is (c) Copyright 2004, P. Lutus


Here is a good strong transponder on the G3C satellite.......



DFreq. 11780

Pol. H

SR. 20760


Use one cable from a L linear output of the Invacom QPH-031 LNBF directly to the receiver, set the LNB (Freq.) L.O. to 10750 and watch for signal QUALITY only as you slowly move the dish stopping every few millimeters for 3 seconds....
 
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I started reading your message and saw you mixing the word Viewsat and motor together, so I stopped. Do a search on this board and you'll lots of us saying how the Viewsat has lots of issues with motor control. The viewsat is good for slaving behind another box that does the motor control and thats about it.
 
You have to imagine a huge sigh of reassurance from this end. Thanks so much, we'll try that.

Assuming that works, what's a preview of the next step?

Thanks again,
ZM

What channels are you after? As no bin files are needed for legal FTA channels.




The Viewsat is not the best receiver in the world to set up a motor with, I spent a week setting one up one day!!!!

Can I suggest you remove the motor for now and try to find ONE satellite before you jump in too deep trying to set them all up! (motor)


G3C @ 95º is your TRUE south satellite, I would try to find and store that WITHOUT the motor, all the angles WITHOUT the motor are below...........



Code:
                       Atlanta, TX 75551
          Latitude 33° 6.540'N Longitude 94° 9.876'W

                       Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m)   El  Skew
--------------------------------------------------------------
                               
                       Amos 1/2    4.0W 269.9 266.6 -8.7 -56.9
                               
                Atlantic Bird 3    5.0W  90.5  87.2 -7.9 -56.9
                               
                Nilesat 101/102    7.0W  91.5  88.3 -6.3 -56.9
                               
     Telecom 2D/Atlantic Bird 2    8.0W  92.1  88.8 -5.4 -56.8
                               
                     Express A3   11.0W  93.7  90.5 -3.0 -56.7
                               
                 (C) Express A4   14.0W  95.4  92.1 -0.5 -56.5
                               
                     Telstar 12   15.0W  96.0  92.7  0.4 -56.4
                               
                   Intelsat 901   18.0W  97.7  94.4  2.9 -56.1
                               
                          NSS 7   22.0W 100.0  96.7  6.2 -55.6
                               
                   Intelsat 905   24.5W 101.4  98.2  8.3 -55.2
                               
                   Intelsat 907   27.5W 103.3 100.0 10.8 -54.6
                               
                  Hispasat 1C/D   30.0W 104.8 101.5 12.9 -54.1
                               
                   Intelsat 801   31.5W 105.8 102.5 14.2 -53.7
                               
                   Intelsat 903   34.5W 107.7 104.5 16.7 -52.9
                               
                     (C) AMC 12   37.5W 109.8 106.5 19.2 -52.0
                               
                        NSS 806   40.5W 111.9 108.6 21.7 -51.0
                               
                      Pas 3R/6B   43.0W 113.7 110.5 23.7 -50.1
                               
                         Pas 1R   45.0W 115.3 112.0 25.4 -49.2
                               
               (C) Intelsat 705   50.0W 119.4 116.1 29.4 -46.9
                               
                   Intelsat 707   53.0W 122.0 118.7 31.7 -45.3
                               
               (C) Intelsat 805   55.5W 124.3 121.0 33.6 -43.8
                               
                          Pas 9   58.0W 126.8 123.5 35.5 -42.1
                               
                       Amazonas   61.0W 129.9 126.6 37.6 -40.0
                               
                     EchoStar 3   61.5W 130.4 127.2 38.0 -39.6
                               
                      Rainbow 1   61.5W 130.4 127.2 38.0 -39.6
                               
               Estrela do Sul 1   63.0W 132.1 128.8 39.0 -38.4
                               
               (C) Brasilsat B2   65.0W 134.4 131.1 40.4 -36.8
                               
               (C) Brasilsat B1   70.0W 140.6 137.3 43.5 -32.1
                               
                       Nahuel 1   72.0W 143.3 140.0 44.7 -30.1
                               
                      DirecTV 1   72.5W 144.0 140.7 45.0 -29.5
                               
                          AMC 6   72.0W 143.3 140.0 44.7 -30.1
                               
                          SBS 6   74.0W 146.1 142.8 45.8 -27.9
                               
                 Echostar/G4R 4   77.0W 150.5 147.2 47.3 -24.3
                               
                          AMC 5   79.0W 153.6 150.3 48.2 -21.9
                               
                      Nimiq 2/3   82.0W 158.5 155.2 49.3 -17.9
                               
                          AMC-9   83.0W 160.1 156.9 49.6 -16.5
                               
                (C)Brasilsat B3   84.0W 161.8 158.6 50.0 -15.1
                               
                          AMC 2   85.0W 163.5 160.3 50.2 -13.7
                               
                          AMC 3   87.0W 167.0 163.8 50.7 -10.8
                               
                           IA-8   89.0W 170.6 167.3 51.1  -7.9
                               
                      Galaxy 11   91.0W 174.2 170.9 51.3  -4.8
                               
                     Nimiq 1/4i   91.0W 174.2 170.9 51.3  -4.8
                               
                (C)Brasilsat B4   92.0W 176.0 172.8 51.4  -3.3
                               
                           IA-6   93.0W 177.9 174.6 51.5  -1.8
                               
                      Galaxy 3C   95.0W 181.5 178.3 51.5   1.3
                               
                           IA-5   97.0W 185.2 181.9 51.4   4.3
                               
                      Galaxy 16   99.0W 188.8 185.5 51.1   7.4
                               
                     Spaceway 2   99.2W 189.2 185.9 51.1   7.7
                               
                DirecTV 1R/4S/8  101.0W 192.4 189.1 50.8  10.3
                               
                          AMC 4  101.0W 192.4 189.1 50.8  10.3
                               
                     Spaceway 1  103.0W 195.9 192.6 50.3  13.3
                               
                          AMC 1  103.0W 195.9 192.6 50.3  13.3
                               
                         AMC 15  105.0W 199.3 196.0 49.7  16.1
                               
                       Anik F1R  107.3W 203.1 199.9 49.0  19.2
                               
                     (C) AnikF1  107.3W 203.1 199.9 49.0  19.2
                               
                      DirecTV 5  109.5W 206.7 203.4 48.1  22.1
                               
                  EchoStar 8/10  110.0W 207.4 204.2 47.9  22.7
                               
                        Anik F2  111.1W 209.1 205.9 47.4  24.1
                               
                       SatMex 6  113.0W 212.0 208.7 46.5  26.3
                               
                  Solidaridad 2  114.9W 214.7 211.4 45.5  28.5
                               
                       SatMex 5  116.8W 217.4 214.1 44.4  30.5
                               
                         AMC-16  119.0W 220.3 217.0 43.1  32.8
                               
                     DirecTV 7s  119.0W 220.3 217.0 43.1  32.8
                               
                     EchoStar 7  119.0W 220.3 217.0 43.1  32.8
                               
          EchoStar 9/Telstar 13  121.0W 222.8 219.5 41.9  34.7
                               
                     Galaxy 10R  123.0W 225.2 222.0 40.6  36.5
                               
                  (C) Galaxy 14  125.0W 227.5 224.3 39.3  38.2
                               
                   Galaxy 13/H1  127.0W 229.8 226.5 37.9  39.7
                               
 Intelsat Americas 7/Echostar 5  129.0W 231.9 228.6 36.4  41.2
                               
                     (C) AMC 11  131.0W 233.9 230.6 35.0  42.6
                               
                  (C) Galaxy 15  133.0W 235.8 232.6 33.5  43.9
                               
                     (C) AMC 10  135.0W 237.7 234.4 32.0  45.1
                               
                      (C) AMC 7  137.0W 239.5 236.2 30.4  46.2
                               
                      (C) AMC 8  139.0W 241.2 237.9 28.8  47.2
                               
                   EchoStar 1/2  148.0W 248.2 245.0 21.5  51.1

       Satellite Finder is (c) Copyright 2004, P. Lutus


Here is a good strong transponder on the G3C satellite.......



DFreq. 11780

Pol. H

SR. 20760


Use one cable from a L linear output of the Invacom QPH-031 LNBF directly to the receiver, set the LNB (Freq.) L.O. to 10750 and watch for signal QUALITY only as you slowly move the dish stopping every few millimeters for 3 seconds....
 
OK. PNB, it was a good idea but can't seem to find or else don't have some of the options you're talking about.

These are the options in the "Antenna Setup" on our box:
SATELLITE: (It says G3C is at 0.0E, but G3C/C is at 95.0W.)
LNB POWER: (On or Off)
LNB TYPE: (Standard or Universal) (Set to Universal)
LNB HIGH: (Range from 5150 to 11475)
LNB LOW (Range from5150 to 11475.) (Set at 10750)
TP Freq. (Range from 3720 to 4040)
SEARCH OPTION: (FTA, Scramble, All) (Set to FTA or All)
DiSEqC 1.0 (None, ToneBurst-A, ToneBurst-B, Port 1, Port 2, Port 3, Port 4)
MOTOR: (On, Off) (Currently off)

Possible to translate your previous answer into these terms?

Thanks more,
 
SATELLITE: (It says G3C is at 0.0E, but G3C/C is at 95.0W.) Use G3C (Ku)
LNB POWER: (On)
LNB TYPE: (Standard)
LNB HIGH: 00000
LNB LOW 10750
TP Freq. (Ku band has a 5 digit Freq.)
SEARCH OPTION: (FTA)
DiSEqC 1.0 (none)
MOTOR: (Off)
 
Hooray, success! We actually have some viewable channels AND sound. Phew! Of course, they're all Chinese, but at this point, that's a major breakthrough.

What's next?

Thanks a LOT! - ZM
 
Couldn't have done it without you.

Now for the next step: Since we still have the motor disconnected, what do we do now?
 
OK, got it back on. I'm beginning to think we might be able to get there from here. Still a little confused on what our box is telling us, though: it's still showing us regular G3C at 0.0E and G3C/C at 95.0W. Does that "/C" just mean that's its C-band? The concern is that if we're actually pointed at 95.0W but but the box thinks it's pointed at 0.0E, then won't that screw up all other positions based on that reference point?

Thanks more.
 
C is C-Band, many receivers list a satellite twice, once for C-Band then again for Ku Band, as the L.O. setting for the LNB are different!

Sounds like to need to add the position for G3C manually.
 
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